(September 18, 2014 at 12:49 pm)genkaus Wrote:All you're doing is creating a needless division. There are facts that everyone, atheist, Christian, Muslim and Jew can agree upon you know.(September 18, 2014 at 8:42 am)Aractus Wrote: There are plenty of facts in the Bible, both in the OT and the NT. The OT has a lot more mythology which pre-dates it.And a lot more lies in both.
Quote:Or simply pulled those out of their asses.Okay and where's the evidence for that? Why would they do that? If they were making stuff up themselves then why did the synoptic gospel writers rely on a common written source?
Quote:Here's a list of 194 contradictions:You are not familiar with the contradictions, I am. Many of the contradictions in that list are nonsense, many are duplicated. For instance the genealogy is counted multiple times. Some are not even based on facts or events but on theology! If that list is your basis then you'd loose just about any argument with a Christian because it's a very poor quality one. It pretty much just lists a bunch of inconsistencies, not contradictions (although there are contradictions are hidden away in there), and you've shown no understanding of where the contradictions are and how to identify them.
http://www.skeptically.org/bible/id6.html
I wouldn't call it "almost never".
Here's an actual contradiction that doesn't appear anywhere in your low quality list:
Mark 5:1: "They came to the other side of the sea, to the country of the Gerasenes."
Luke 8:26: "Then they sailed to the country of the Gerasenes, which is opposite Galilee."
Matt 8:28: "And when he came to the other side, to the country of the Gadarenes, ..."
It is one of the relatively few examples of an actual contradiction in the NT. It's not just an inconsistency because both can't be true at the same time.
Furthermore, those kinds of inconsistencies in the list you posted are what you would expect to see in different accounts of the same event recorded by different people - there's nothing about them that suggests the authors are liars or inventing the stories as they go as is your claim. Whenever you have more than one account of an event there will always be inconsistencies, and some will be irreconcilably inconsistent (which is when that inconsistency becomes a contradiction).
As I said before the NT contains a number of inconsistencies, but not very many actual contradictions - especially outside of the nativity. Get a better list - a more honest list. Because if you're going to accuse people of lying you can't use a blatantly dishonest list like that one.
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke