RE: In need of a more humbleness. Why condemning the Theistic position makes no sense.
September 20, 2014 at 10:05 pm
(This post was last modified: September 20, 2014 at 10:09 pm by Mystic.)
(September 20, 2014 at 9:55 pm)Rhythm Wrote:(September 20, 2014 at 9:46 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: But the Atheist position is not that there is no God. It's that they don't believe in God. So from this stance, you would have to either claim:You forgot a third option. God is a character in a book. I can prove that to you anytime you'd like. While my position is not the position of every atheist, the claim of knowledge is not the position of every theist. Nevertheless, there are theists and atheists who are comfortable making a claim of knowledge. You invoked one side of that coin in your statements - and then tried to compare that apple to an orange in the next line. It doesn't make any sense at all to keep my mind open about whether or not a character contained in a narrative jumped out and had a discussion with -anyone-. There's nothing humble in keeping my mind open to that - incredibly ignorant, sure, humble...not even close.
1) God doesn't exist
2) If he exists, he has not made himself known to anyone.
And if you want to remain logical, you would have to prove these.
The legitimacy of an experience and the legitimacy of a claim -beyond that experience- are entirely separate issues. An often used example is alien abduction. Those people have clearly had a "legitimate experience" - that doesn't mean that aliens abducted them.
I am making generalizations. Most Theists claim their faith is a sort of mystical knowledge of God. Although they may not be certain and be agnostic, they do claim it's a way of knowing God exists.
And most Atheists claim they don't know whether or not God exists, and don't take a stance.
So I'm going with the two general point of views.
(September 20, 2014 at 10:02 pm)ShaMan Wrote:(September 20, 2014 at 9:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I think the whole thing with will of God is just humans theists trying to impose morals.
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NOW, you know why we're not always 'humble'.
No I think it's humans. I suspect people like Baha'allah didn't actually believe in God when he wrote his book. I wouldn't believe in an ultimate being and then go on making up words he said and forging a lie on him. I would think these founders of religions were more Atheistic. Others that followed were more theistic. But when people forge a religion and make one up, I would think they were more on the side of not believing and not actually worshiping like they wanted others to do.
