RE: In need of a more humbleness. Why condemning the Theistic position makes no sense.
September 20, 2014 at 11:05 pm
(September 20, 2014 at 9:48 pm)Zen Badger Wrote: When theists stop claiming to know the will of their god and trying to impose it on the rest of us, I will then try to be more "humble"
That sir is a generalization, mosts theists don't claim to know the will of their god other than what was written in ancient tomes
(September 20, 2014 at 10:26 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(September 20, 2014 at 10:23 pm)Zidneya Wrote: KORAN commands to kill infidels:
So it allows you to marry Christians and Jews but commands you to kill them as well?
He didn't post the entire quotes of those verses, I've read a bit of the Quran and I can tell you the ones he posted where it actually talks about killing are in self-defense when they themselves are being killed or attacked.
For example 2:191/2:193 the entire verse is
Quote:2:193 Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not commit aggression: God loves not the aggressors. slay them wherever you fall upon them, and expel them from where they had expelled you; apostasy by force is indeed more serious than slaying. Do not fight them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight you therein. If they fight you therein, slay them: such is the reward for unbelievers. But if they desist, then God is All-Forgiving, Compassionate to each. Fight them until there is no longer forced apostasy, and the religion is God's. If they desist, no aggression is permitted, except against the wicked. A Holy Month will substitute for a Holy Month, and sacrilege calls for retaliation. Whoever commits aggression against you, retaliate against him in the same measure as he committed against you. Fear God and knows that God stands by the pious.
The rest of his quotes from Islam is pretty much just the condemnation of unbelievers by god, not promoting violence.
I agree atheists need to be more humble and there are things GOOD things that we can learn from religion, unlike many of the atheists here I think I'm the only one who holds this opinion.
Humility is a virtue something which I strive for because I have in the past looked at myself as higher and better than everyone else. Still do now but not to the same extent.
One of my main interests in religion though is prayer/meditation.
