In need of a more humbleness. Why condemning the Theistic position makes no sense.

[Celestine]

I'd prefer at least a bush. I'm a farmer myself, I don't show up to market with a sign that says "tomatos" and a bushel full of seeds. It does indeed deal with christ, albeit breifly, and the manner in which it deals with christ is why (or at least one of the reasons) it got the axe. It seemed to suggest a competing christology than that which the church was running with - and that was and still remains far more important than any quote mining that you or I may do in the here and now.

Howsabout you google this stuff before you comment? You might find that I'm a far less rude person when I don't have to constantly supply this information to you. Even when I know something like the back of my hand - I still google it and fact check my recollection. It helps. On the count of what does or does not relate to some "life of jesus" good luck with that - you'll probably have to face down some glaring issues with that notion in the course of your research.

If I knew about this, If I knew about that. I do, douche. Now demonstrate that -you do-. I absolutely love these little stories (and not just the christian ones, by far the poorest of the bunch) -as narratives-. I'm simply of the opinion that as guidebooks for life, morality, etc, they're useless (and often worse than useless, counterproductive at best - destructive at worst). You don't actually come to a position like that without having...you know....read the stories, dug up the history.

I don't know, that is why I'm reading these books, notice when my knowledge was extremely limited I said 'as far as I know' I don't generally wish to google things unless I have to and since I have the book the Shepherd of Hermas there is no need to google it as time will reveal its contents to me.

Seemingly you seem to think now that you knew something that I did not that this makes you better than me it reflects in your post when you call me a douche, telling me to google something before I comment, and then making it seem as though you are a curator of a vast library of these ancient books and have studied them with fervor despite telling me that you just googled this. Again I never said that these books would serve as good guidebooks or even whole, I said I just wish for the philosophy contained within yet you somehow misinterpret this to mean 'I want to follow the book word for word'. Your presumptions are your weakness.

Also you'd be surprised how many atheists called the Quran destructive despite not having read it for themselves. As far as I've gotten (about 70 pages) I have not seen anything destructive in there yet.

Committing myself to you in dialogue on this matter seems poignant as you keep running in circles of the same things regardless of that which is given to you, and I for one don't like repetition in a conversation.