(September 23, 2014 at 3:05 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:I feel that my posts on that thread successfully addressed with the issue. You do not. We do not need repeat the discussion here.(September 23, 2014 at 2:23 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Do you have any proof that a perfect world is possible while still maintaining human free agency? Without that, the objection from evil drops away.The Problem of Evil, Christians, and Inconsistency
(September 23, 2014 at 2:23 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: My view allows for the possibility that the physical universe could indeed be eternal. However, anyone can see that the physical universe sits within a larger reality that also includes non-physical features like subjective experience and meaning.
(September 23, 2014 at 3:05 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: You're either claiming that all subjective experience is non-physical, which is of course, plainly silly and buys you nothing,…All subjective experience is non-physical.
(September 23, 2014 at 3:05 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: There's nothing non-physical about meaning as it is understood as an abstract thought or intention, which are only observed to be properties of physical systems (humans), albeit limited to the first-person vantage point of said system, not outside of itFirst, I object to your term ‘only’. Observed physical properties are observed physical properties, nothing more. These properties should not to be confused with the meaning or intentions we ascribe to them. In semiotic terms, the signs are physical; their significance is not.
Secondly, the process of abstraction requires there to be some abstractable feature distinct from the material of a sensible body or its uniquely manifest formal quality.
Finally, to say that subjective experience is just the first-person vantage of physical events from inside, you beg the question. The first-person experience is the feature that we are trying to explain; you cannot invoke it as the solution.