Rant against anti-atheist agnostics.

[The Grand Nudger]

Right so you're not interested in the subject, just the by product.

Both the subject and the product are unacceptable on the same grounds.

And you expect to get some understanding from this peep hole?

If it weren't such a simple concept - I might need more than a peephole to view it. It isn't, so I don't. Enlighten me Frodo.....make it okay - it's not like you haven't been given the opportunity.

Yeah we're all hunky dory. None of us are starving and life is good.

Care to string somebody up and whip him on that count as well, should I be surprised if you do? Will those who are starving suddenly find their bellies full?

What possibly could be wrong.

Plenty, but what could vicarious redemption fix, and who would be interested in fixing -anything- through vicarious redemption?

All of us are limiting ourselves somehow r. That's just the way we're made. That's the error that this sacrifice fixes. I'm sick of your big man, I'm strong enough to take all this on myself act. Have some humility.

You just keep hammering away at some argument you've concocted in your own mind. Get your shit together. I'm not a big man, I don't imagine that I can "take it", still won't stop me from trying - it's the right thing to do. I certainly understand that everyone breaks and that some loads are too heavy to carry........ but so what? If that's the way it is, so be it -which is and has been my position on the matter throughout the entirety of the thread.

Do you even need me to respond Frodo? Seems like you can have this argument with yourself.

1. He doesn't understand why it would be necessary

I don't care if it is, I'm uninterested. That something is necessary does not make it right. Would you like me to explain this to you or are you already aware?

2. He finds the idea of sacrifice undermines his independence

I find that it undermines my concepts of morality and human decency. Your's as well - but we'll get to that when you finally join the discussion, troll.