RE: Rant against anti-atheist agnostics.
September 27, 2014 at 1:27 pm
(This post was last modified: September 27, 2014 at 1:38 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 27, 2014 at 2:43 am)fr0d0 Wrote: It's freely given by God. To accept the gift involves acknowledging the sacrifice. If we don't accept the free offer, there is no other way to be forgiven. We don't deserve the gift, we cannot. But God loves us so much, he did this for us.Which is understandable, but just because we love someone so much we would "x" for them - that won't automatically make "x", and whether or not they would accept "x" - right. I doubt that I'm going to have to explain this to you any more than you might have to explain it to me. Love can make a person do...or at least consider, terrible things. Agreed? Can I excuse anything on the grounds of love? No, I cannot -even if I can understand the motivation.
Quote:That's not what I think, no.Then it's pointless to go off on that tangent, isn't it? Neither you nor I believe that a gift is immune to moral judgement by virtue of it being a gift.
Quote:A generous act by God, causing his human incarnation terrible suffering, is somehow immoral because... WHY???Bolded where it starts to go off the rails into the territory of immorality for you.
Quote: We've just cleared up one point... If the gift was given freely then it wasn't immoral.I could freely give you the proceeds of an assault. Would it be immoral for me to do so - would it be immoral for you to accept this gift?
You can't do it, btw, can you... You absolutely can't say that you wouldn't string someone up for your parking tickets (even though we both know that you wouldn't)...you've obviously realized that all I'm going to do is exchange parking tickets for "sin" and then ask you the question again. There's christianity, eroding humanity. :claps:
On the upshot of this thread...thusfar, I've been given the notion to start calling the crucifixion god's "Final Solution" - so thanks for that.
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