RE: Rant against anti-atheist agnostics.
September 27, 2014 at 4:04 pm
(This post was last modified: September 27, 2014 at 4:40 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 27, 2014 at 3:04 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Yes, I'd agree. I'd kill to protect my family I'm sure. I certainly have that feeling. If that's love. Possibly a misplaced expression of love. Because love doesn't cause harm. I've experience of love making you do foolish things. Harmless I think. How is Jesus sacrificing himself harmful to anyone but himself though?It doesn't have to be, but I would call it a "misplaced expression of love". As I've already said, I can excuse one of you depending on which route you choose to explore.
Quote:It does? How?Would you agree that much of morality is concerned with harm? As in, the reason that murder, for example, is "immoral" has to do with harming another person.
Quote:That would be immoral based upon the Ill gotten gain. You have no ill gotten gain here.Is it acceptable to harm someone else, allow someone else to be harmed, or accept that someone else -has been- harmed...... -to clear your parking tickets?
Quote:I'm not stringing someone up though.You're accepting it. Do you have to be the man holding the gun to be held accountable, is there no such thing as complicity?
Quote:We would rather no sacrifice had to be made. But it's our nature, the severity of our failings that demands the strongest sacrifice.They may demand that, but whether or not you can accept that sacrifice and remain a morally "right" person is another issue entirely. As I've said many, many times...even though I think you're full of shit - it doesn't matter. I can accept your claim for the purposes of discussion. Saying "we need it" is -not- the same as saying "it's right". Agreed?
(this also...btw, makes jesus/god the dick......whereas when we began this thread we were trying to make him the good guy in all of this. I just don't know what to say, from where I sit you're both the villains based upon your first and last remarks...but you're going to have to decide one way or another or else this conversation will be necessarily disjointed, as I'll be arguing for the immorality of two separate parties based upon two -potentially different..if only marginally so - lines of reasoning. It's god...after all, making such "demands".)
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