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God's "perfect" Plan
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RE: God's "perfect" Plan
(June 26, 2010 at 3:31 am)Purple Rabbit Wrote:
(June 25, 2010 at 10:55 pm)superstarr Wrote: "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]

The "Idea" of him having a plan is odd. Why? Because basically the idea of having any plan makes a little something called "prayer" become useless. I think contradictory wasn't a good word to use, but the idea of having a plan clearly makes prayer useless waste of time. Yet, people state that his plan and prayer are part of christianity, but they can see that it doesn't work. Rather, none of them have to be right because each make the other impossible.
The problem in your reasoning starts at a deeper level still. If you say that you know god and his plan, it means that you have direct access to his thinking, intentions and that you can verify his sincerity about them. That kind of access to other minds is unprecedented in human interaction, yet you claim it for your alleged human-god interaction. Your claim boils down to the assertion that you have access to first-person experience of your god. Furthermore your claim is expanding along the way, you know he is almighty, can probe our minds, knows what's going to happen, has installed a magical box in us that's labeled "free will" to somehow make us independent from him.

I honestly suggest that you rethink your position and start with the question what we can know for sure. If you find that you should allow for even the slightest possibility of doubt to creep in your story than that means that you need a mechanism to verify claims on another basis than the alleged divine revelation you are depending on right now.

I never said that I KNEW God's plan. What I meant, was that the IDEA of having any plan makes prayer useless because prayer involves asking God to change something, yet what would be the point of even asking for anything in prayer if your life is planned? I wasn't stating the power of "God" I was simply saying that IF he indeed had any plan, it would make other things illogical and meaningless to Christianity. There's nothing wrong to my position and I don't know what you don't get about my position. I'm saying that God's "plan" isn't real, and that having any idea of a plan screws up other parts of christianity, and the example I gave was prayer.
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God's "perfect" Plan - by superstarr - June 25, 2010 at 1:04 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Paul the Human - June 25, 2010 at 1:10 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by chasm - July 1, 2010 at 1:52 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Shinylight - June 25, 2010 at 1:15 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Mr Camel - June 25, 2010 at 1:19 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Minimalist - June 25, 2010 at 1:32 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Welsh cake - June 25, 2010 at 1:49 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Purple Rabbit - June 25, 2010 at 2:29 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Darwinian - June 25, 2010 at 2:43 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Godschild - June 25, 2010 at 4:13 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Jaysyn - June 25, 2010 at 4:17 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by tavarish - June 25, 2010 at 4:49 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Godschild - June 25, 2010 at 5:35 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Zen Badger - June 26, 2010 at 3:27 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by superstarr - June 25, 2010 at 4:52 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by KichigaiNeko - June 26, 2010 at 3:39 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by annatar - June 25, 2010 at 4:41 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by superstarr - June 25, 2010 at 10:55 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Godschild - June 26, 2010 at 12:12 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Shell B - June 26, 2010 at 1:31 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Shell B - June 26, 2010 at 9:42 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Purple Rabbit - June 26, 2010 at 3:31 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by superstarr - June 26, 2010 at 4:40 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Minimalist - June 25, 2010 at 11:16 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Minimalist - June 26, 2010 at 2:22 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Godschild - June 26, 2010 at 3:47 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Minimalist - June 26, 2010 at 4:00 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Purple Rabbit - June 26, 2010 at 4:22 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Purple Rabbit - June 26, 2010 at 5:01 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Godschild - June 26, 2010 at 7:19 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by superstarr - June 27, 2010 at 1:23 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Shell B - June 26, 2010 at 7:22 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Godschild - June 27, 2010 at 1:04 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Purple Rabbit - June 27, 2010 at 6:15 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Shell B - June 27, 2010 at 9:29 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Autumnlicious - June 26, 2010 at 7:49 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Minimalist - June 27, 2010 at 1:42 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Mr Camel - June 27, 2010 at 4:22 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Godschild - June 27, 2010 at 8:36 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Mr Camel - June 27, 2010 at 9:14 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by superstarr - June 28, 2010 at 2:20 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Purple Rabbit - June 30, 2010 at 2:47 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Minimalist - June 27, 2010 at 8:39 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by fr0d0 - June 28, 2010 at 3:20 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Mr Camel - June 28, 2010 at 3:59 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by tackattack - July 1, 2010 at 12:24 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by superstarr - July 1, 2010 at 4:23 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Zen Badger - July 1, 2010 at 6:13 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by superstarr - July 1, 2010 at 12:53 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Godschild - June 28, 2010 at 3:58 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Shell B - June 28, 2010 at 4:08 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by superstarr - June 28, 2010 at 6:12 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Godschild - July 1, 2010 at 2:50 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Minimalist - July 1, 2010 at 1:56 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by annatar - July 1, 2010 at 2:06 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Minimalist - July 1, 2010 at 2:50 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by annatar - July 1, 2010 at 3:16 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Minimalist - July 1, 2010 at 4:24 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by theophilus - July 2, 2010 at 12:09 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by superstarr - July 2, 2010 at 2:20 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by fr0d0 - July 3, 2010 at 5:23 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Shinylight - July 2, 2010 at 12:16 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Minimalist - July 2, 2010 at 12:26 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Zen Badger - July 3, 2010 at 6:47 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by fr0d0 - July 3, 2010 at 2:15 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by chatpilot - July 3, 2010 at 10:13 am
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by Minimalist - July 3, 2010 at 2:35 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by chatpilot - July 3, 2010 at 5:45 pm
RE: God's "perfect" Plan - by fr0d0 - July 3, 2010 at 5:51 pm

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