RE: Atheist Fundamentalism
October 14, 2014 at 11:02 pm
(This post was last modified: October 14, 2014 at 11:08 pm by genkaus.)
(October 14, 2014 at 4:14 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: How is it propaganda to point out that Islam has some horrendous ideas in its holy text?
Let's see:
Propaganda - information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
Looks like the shoe fits.
(October 14, 2014 at 4:14 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Absolutely.
Must've missed that part. Which other types of Islam did they identify?
(October 14, 2014 at 4:14 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: But as Harris states, the Qur'an is "a mother load of bad ideas". Don't you agree?
The fact that the majority of Muslims don't follow it has nothing to do with what it actually says.
IIRC, Harris said "Islam is a mother load of bad ideas" which is the point I'm trying to evaluate. What the Muslims follow may have little to do with what the Quran says, but it has everything to do with what Islam says. I'm trying to figure out what the difference is or if there is one.
(October 14, 2014 at 8:19 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: None of the people mentioned exhibit anti-Muslim bigotry.
They are talking about Islam and the Qur'an, not Muslims.
Harris makes the point, that Muslims that are fundamentalists and Jihadists are getting their ideas from their holy text. The fact that the vast majority of Muslims cheery pick is great.
Are these or are these not bad ideas:
Killing infidels.
Stoning women that are not virgins on their wedding night.
Stoning a women if she did not scream loud enough when she was raped.
Woman's testimony is not acceptable in court unless there are 2 or more.
If you agree that these are bad ideas, you are in agreement with Harris.
Of course Christians that espouse the bad ideas in the Bible are held to the same standards.
Harris has spoken out many times on the anti-condom policy that Catholics spread in Africa. He's spoken about the anti-gay policy spread by an American Evangelical Christian that has lead to government policy to kill or imprison gays in Africa.
I think you are missing the point here. Those ideas are very bad, but are they Quranic ideas or are they Islamic ideas?