(June 29, 2010 at 12:52 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Many Jews in Israel may be secular today, I'll just take your word on that, but I think you'd be hard pressed to argue the Zionists that established Israel were. I doubt seriously that the British government in the 1940s were run by atheists. However, you can feel free to present your evidence for your claim and I'll consider it.The leaders of the British government probably weren't atheists but they didn't give much support of Israel either.
Quote:After 1945, Britain found itself in fierce conflict with the Jewish community, as the Haganah joined Irgun and Lehi in armed struggle against British rule.[66] At the same time, thousands of Jewish refugees from Europe sought shelter in Palestine and were turned away or rounded up and placed in detention camps by the British. In 1947, the British government withdrew from the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.[67] The newly created United Nations approved the Partition Plan for Palestine (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, which sought to divide the country into two states—one Arab and one Jewish. Jerusalem was to be designated an international city—a corpus separatum—administered by the UN.[68]
The Jewish community accepted the plan,[69] but the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[70] On December 1, 1947, the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a three-day strike, and Arab bands began attacking Jewish targets.[71] Jews were initially on the defensive as civil war broke out, but they gradually moved onto the offensive.[72] The Palestinian Arab economy collapsed and 250,000 Palestinian-Arabs fled or were expelled.[73]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
Today Israel has the strongest military force in the Middle East but that wasn't the case then. But they defeated a vastly superior force anyway. This is an indication that God was helping them.
(July 1, 2010 at 7:06 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Let's see.....Jews tell it this way.These prophecies are to be fulfilled when Israel accepts Jesus as their Messiah. The Bible never says that all of the Messianic prophecies would be fulfilled at the same time.
Quote:What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
1. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
2. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
3. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
4. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9)
So...jesus the pretender's scorecard is.
1. FAIL
2. FAIL
3. EPIC FAIL
4. UNBELIEVABLE FAIL
And none of this 'second bite at the apple' horseshit. The Messiah is supposed to do it all in one shot.
His invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Romans 1:20 ESV
Romans 1:20 ESV