(October 23, 2014 at 7:51 am)professor Wrote: Pocaracus, I read your last line above and your take on what Drich said is what is flawed.No, Drich said it works just as well for any god.
The real God does NOT honor the seeking after false gods with any kind of positive response.
And, in reality, IT DOES!!
You have billions of people convinced of the existence of some god(s) which is NOT the god of the bible.
And I'm sure you can find examples from those people who carry out the same methodology and found their god(s), their rules, their holy books.
(October 23, 2014 at 7:51 am)professor Wrote: The response is to let these people CHOOSE to believe a lie, just as He lets everyone here follow their own choosing.How is that different from non-existence?
(October 23, 2014 at 7:51 am)professor Wrote: The A/S/K method Drich tells us of goes like this-
Idea / investigation, experimentation/ development/ new reality.
It is the scientific method.
How can you not see it?
IDEA: Allah is all knowing and wants you to pray 5 times a day facing Mecca.
Experimentation: Hey, Mr Allah, tell me if you really want me to pray 5 times a day.
Development: nothing happens.
New reality: Allah doesn't reply, Allah doesn't exist and, as a result, can't want me to pray 5 times a week facing Mecca.
However, if I really wanted it, I'd pray 5 times a day... I'd find other people who also pray 5 times a day and join them. Become friends and my life would, in principle, improve. Along the way, my belief that Allah is real would be enhanced for I'd be witnessing my life improving due to my faith.
Textbook example and very close to what happened to Drich.
Did it improve due to the existence of Allah itself?
Or did it improve due to the faith posited in the shared concept of Allah, regardless of the existence of the Allah character?
In other words, does Allah exist as an independent entity, or is it a merely a concept shared by those who believe in its existence? A concept reinforced by all those who believe in it. A concept, seemingly worth spreading to as many people as possible, for the maximum possible effect.
(replace Allah for your favorite deity and corresponding religious requirements and the argument is the same)