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Halloween special: what if... Number 2
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RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2
And you see - that is one of the most basic reasons WHY people reject YOUR religion as nonsense - the claim that the god is PERFECT in all ways - and Almighty - all knowing - etc.

There are a number of CONTRADICTIONS to that

If the god were all good - evil would not exist - since the god created EVERYTHING - there is NO other choice for a creator - the devil specifically does not have that power. Yet Evil (the religion being one of that) - does exist.

IF the god were almighty - then there is NO conflict between the God and evil that the god would not win. So - then why does evil exist

1 - There is no god - so evil and good do not overpower each other
2 - There is a god who WANTS evil to exist - hardly a thing I would want to worship
3 - The god cannot overcome evil - why call it a god then?

Let us take up the claim of religion -
1 - We are responsible for our own actions but not those of others including our parents and family. That statement is all over the bible - but then it would eliminate the idea of original sin - since None of US sinned at that time. Certainly the christ cannot save of from sins that we have the FREE WILL not to commit - even if the god THINKS we will.

2 - There are children too young to sin - they are those who have not reached the age of reason or responsibility. Yet - Tens of thousands of these children are born every year - with missing limbs, missing or conjoined body organs, with quite a number of horrible fatal diseases,
or are simply born but not taken care of by their parents.

Free will says that sin does not happen until one actually uses the free will to do it - the claim that a child WILL sin denies that FREE WILL MUST include the ability to choose to NOT do something even the god already knows - or it is NOT FREE WILL.

And so - there is NO justification for an innocent child to be born or contract such maladies - except that either the god does not exist - or it is a bastard.

And then of course - that creates a problem with the claim of free will.
IF a god ALREADY KNOWS what we will do - before we are going to do it - then either

1 - Free will does not exist - we MUST fulfill what the god already knows and cannot do anything - nor can the GOD itself - that the God does not know.

2 - For free will to exist - then the god cannot be all knowing - because we have to have the right to choose what the god does NOT know for will to be actually FREE..

So - religion is simply DOUBLETALK
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Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by Drich - October 24, 2014 at 11:12 pm
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by vorlon13 - October 24, 2014 at 11:16 pm
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by Exian - October 25, 2014 at 12:19 am
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by Drich - October 25, 2014 at 7:19 am
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by Exian - October 25, 2014 at 10:47 am
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by FreeTony - October 25, 2014 at 7:37 am
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by downbeatplumb - October 25, 2014 at 11:24 am
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by Drich - October 26, 2014 at 12:44 am
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by rexbeccarox - October 26, 2014 at 1:45 pm
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by Drich - October 26, 2014 at 2:54 pm
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by ThomM - October 25, 2014 at 12:28 pm
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by Mudhammam - October 25, 2014 at 1:09 pm
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by rexbeccarox - October 25, 2014 at 1:33 pm
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by Violet - October 25, 2014 at 2:05 pm
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by ThomM - October 25, 2014 at 3:44 pm
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by Losty - October 25, 2014 at 4:09 pm
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by Aoi Magi - October 25, 2014 at 4:29 pm
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by Exian - October 26, 2014 at 3:06 am
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by Drich - October 26, 2014 at 8:26 am
RE: Halloween special: what if... Number 2 - by Exian - October 26, 2014 at 12:58 pm

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