RE: Your stance on Hard Atheism
October 27, 2014 at 6:48 pm
(This post was last modified: October 27, 2014 at 6:51 pm by trmof.)
(October 27, 2014 at 6:43 pm)abaris Wrote:(October 27, 2014 at 6:35 pm)trmof Wrote: No, you are positing they are the same because a religious book says so. Allah was the name of a Persian pagan moon god long before the existence of Islam or any connection to Judeo-Christianity.
And Yahweh was originally and ugarit god. Ugaritic texts, discovered in the ruins of the ancient city of Ugarit in 1928, have shed new light on the origins and development of the early Jewish religion. The chief god was El, and his wife was Asherah. They had seventy divine children, characterized as the stars of El. Among them was Baal, Astarte, Anat, the sun-goddess Shapshu, the moon god Yerak, and Yahweh. The servants of the divine household of the gods were messenger-gods. These appear to be what the Old Testament later refer to as angels.
And once again, how about your stance that many christians believe in the existence of many gods in light of this? Isaiah 45:5: I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God.
Not letting you off the hook.
The word Hebrew word for "Lord" means "existing one;" the word used here for God, is the plural "gods." This would seem to imply in context that he is declaring himself the creator of the gods.
(October 27, 2014 at 6:46 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:Quote:No, you are positing they are the same because a religious book says so. Allah was the name of a Persian pagan moon god long before the existence of Islam or any connection to Judeo-Christianity.
Actually, I am posting this because linguists and historians (educationally - though not professionally - I fall into the second category) agree on this issue, it's got bugger all to do with what books on religion say..
'Elohim' (the Hebrew cognate of 'Allah') originally referred to an entire Canaanite pantheon. But the fact remains that Bibles printed in Arabic use 'Allah' for 'God' and it is universally understood to mean the God of Abraham.
Boru
Elohim is Hebrew for god or gods plural. It is not the name that God gives himself. That name is YHWH.