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What atheism actually is
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RE: What atheism actually is
(November 4, 2014 at 5:02 am)robvalue Wrote:


Now a clear description of what atheism actually is:



Concluding notes:


I like the emphasis on the claim. Here's my take on it:

To me, atheism is simply a rejection of the claim made by theists, not a disbelief or denial of any entity that they claim exists. To illustrate, if someone claims “I have an english-speaking purple gorilla at my house”, I would reject the claim being made by the claimant. It’s not that I would disbelieve or deny the existence of english-speaking purple gorillas, because that is going too far. I do not believe the claimant or the claim that is being made. I view the claim with extreme skepticism, and reject the claim itself. My response to the claimant would be “I do not believe YOU.”

Claimant: “You do not believe the claim because you do not think there are such things as English speaking purple gorillas.”

No, I do not believe the claim because the claimant has not provided any valid evidence or proof that English-speaking purple gorillas exist, let alone that they have one in their house.

It is the same with claims made by theists. When they say “my God: __insert name__ is the one true god, etc., etc.…”, I do not deny the existence of or have a disbelief of their God, I reject the claim that is being made, not the entity. I disbelieve the claimant, not the entity that is being proposed.

The same is true for any claim that is made. I do not have to form a belief (or a dis-belief) about every fanciful creature or entity that can be conceived. And, since I do not have to form a belief about every single one of them, I do not have to form a belief about any single one of them, gods included. I do not have a belief or a disbelief about gods, I don’t accept the claims being made about their existence.

Of course, by extension, I am rejecting the notion of their God, but only by extension, and not directly. As with any claim I would consider, if the claimant presents credible and valid evidence or proof that the entity exists, I would have reason to accept the claim, believe what the claimant is saying, and thereby “believe in” the entity being claimed. And, no, sorry, “non-empirical” evidence does not count.

In other words, I see atheism not as a rejection or disbelief in any particular God or gods, but a rejection of the theist’s claim that a god exists. Otherwise, I would need to form a belief position (which of course would be dis-belief) of every god ever claimed to exist. I’ll stick to rejecting the claims made by theists.
"If there are gaps they are in our knowledge, not in things themselves." Chapman Cohen

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Messages In This Thread
What atheism actually is - by robvalue - November 4, 2014 at 5:02 am
RE: What atheism actually is - by robvalue - November 5, 2014 at 6:20 am
RE: What atheism actually is - by Nintentacle - November 5, 2014 at 6:32 am
RE: What atheism actually is - by robvalue - November 5, 2014 at 6:33 am
RE: What atheism actually is - by Nintentacle - November 5, 2014 at 6:36 am
RE: What atheism actually is - by robvalue - November 5, 2014 at 6:40 am
RE: What atheism actually is - by Cyberman - November 5, 2014 at 6:43 am
RE: What atheism actually is - by Simon Moon - November 7, 2014 at 2:41 pm
RE: What atheism actually is - by robvalue - November 5, 2014 at 6:44 am
RE: What atheism actually is - by Nintentacle - November 5, 2014 at 6:45 am
RE: What atheism actually is - by robvalue - November 5, 2014 at 6:50 am
RE: What atheism actually is - by Ben Davis - November 5, 2014 at 7:38 am
RE: What atheism actually is - by robvalue - November 5, 2014 at 7:52 am
RE: What atheism actually is - by Ben Davis - November 5, 2014 at 6:43 pm
RE: What atheism actually is - by Angrboda - November 5, 2014 at 3:17 pm
RE: What atheism actually is - by Strongbad - November 6, 2014 at 9:22 pm
RE: What atheism actually is - by mralstoner - November 7, 2014 at 6:39 am
RE: What atheism actually is - by robvalue - November 7, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: What atheism actually is - by robvalue - November 7, 2014 at 4:14 pm
RE: What atheism actually is - by JonDarbyXIII - November 10, 2014 at 1:55 pm
RE: What atheism actually is - by robvalue - November 11, 2014 at 4:49 am

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