A Levite and his concubine

[Drich]

...according to Drich, whose reasons regarding the significance behind the given evaluative statements are as subject to critique as anyone else's.

and we agree god is immoral because he can do immoral things and get away with it.

God can only be considered 'immoral' because self righteous man invented a standard in which he can justify killing babies and selling whole continents of people off into slavery while in the same breath condemn God for using the same accts to protect his chosen people.

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In short, it is what God says about a given act that assigns its "moral value" and not what people think of a given act that makes it right and wrong.

Euthyphro's second horn for the win.

Oh, it's the second now? You sure?
Because if you remember you marched out the first one last time.

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The goal posts have already been moved by Lek taking issue with our disgust over the story at hand. Sadly, he hasn't shown up lately to be a part of the ongoing discussion.

im you huckleberry.

You and him are constantly hiding behind your bible and behind god's supposed morality being above what you call pop culture.

you do know the meaning the the term pop culture do you not? It's one that describes a generational fad or even belief. For instance what popular culture though of fags 60 years ago, and what are though of homosexuals today.. Or what was though of murdering unborn babies 60 years ago verses aborting a fetus today..
The act does not change it is the societal view of a given act that does change. To judge any other person outside your particular version of pop morality is the purest act of self righteousness there is.

I take issue with that for a simple reason. You are persons and not some robots acting according to some operating system following certain routines.

So said Himilar as well.

So let me ask again, using the story at hand. In your mind, is it OK for the host to pimp out the women in order to spare his guest to be raped?

sport read the story again, the host did not pimp anyone out.
Maybe try a easier to read version.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=ERV

Then read the following chapter.. The whole nation of israel's response to this act.
My response can be found in chapter 20:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=ERV

I know perfectly well that in ancient oriental societies the guest was considered sacred. And women had next to no value besides selling them as brides. But that's not the issue here. Somehow this story made it's way into the bible and so it still has some significance to people believing. And we're living in the frigging 21st century and not in the bronze age.

in your selfrighteous rant you never bother to ever turn the page did you?
Your a douche. You better take down your YouTube video before someone like me decides to call people like you out by simply turning the page

And there's another story, similar to this one. The story of Lot, pimping out his daughter to be gang raped to spare the angels. In your mind, is that OK? Would you deliver one of your children to certain abuse by a crazed mob, just because it's in this book?

In both cases what you failed to grasp is that the 'host' was looking to save their respective cities from judgement. Or did you not turn the page on the story of lot either?
So in the book of JUDGES (where examples of Israel/a given tribe commits a horrific sin, and God send a Judge to punish the wicked as per chapter 20 in your case) and in lot's case the two hosts were trying to save their whole cities/tribe from God's wrath and judgement.

Would you be willing sacrifice one life in desperation to try and save everyone else in your city? In your race? Not that either of these men did what they offered, they were just desperate and threw it out there in hopes that the evil they were trying to gaurd against would be quenched.

In my mind these are easy questions for someone living in a modern society.

TURN THE PAGE "modern man"
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and we agree god is immoral because he can do immoral things and get away with it.

God can only be considered 'immoral' because self righteous man invented a standard in which he can justify killing babies and selling whole continents of people off into slavery while in the same breath condemn God for using the same accts to protect his chosen people.

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Euthyphro's second horn for the win.

Oh, it's the second now? You sure?
Because if you remember you marched out the first one last time.

---

The goal posts have already been moved by Lek taking issue with our disgust over the story at hand. Sadly, he hasn't shown up lately to be a part of the ongoing discussion.

im your huckleberry.

You and him are constantly hiding behind your bible and behind god's supposed morality being above what you call pop culture.

you do know the meaning the the term pop culture do you not? It's one that describes a generational fad or even belief. For instance what popular culture though of fags 60 years ago, and what are though of homosexuals today.. Or what was though of murdering unborn babies 60 years ago verses aborting a fetus today..
The act does not change it is the societal view of a given act that does change. To judge any other person outside your particular version of pop morality is the purest act of self righteousness there is.

I take issue with that for a simple reason. You are persons and not some robots acting according to some operating system following certain routines.

So said Himilar as well.

So let me ask again, using the story at hand. In your mind, is it OK for the host to pimp out the women in order to spare his guest to be raped?

sport read the story again, the host did not pimp anyone out.
Maybe try a easier to read version.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=ERV

Then read the following chapter.. The whole nation of israel's response to this act.
My response can be found in chapter 20:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=ERV

I know perfectly well that in ancient oriental societies the guest was considered sacred. And women had next to no value besides selling them as brides. But that's not the issue here. Somehow this story made it's way into the bible and so it still has some significance to people believing. And we're living in the frigging 21st century and not in the bronze age.

in your selfrighteous rant you never bother to ever turn the page did you?
Your a douche. You better take down your YouTube video before someone like me decides to call people like you out by simply turning the page

And there's another story, similar to this one. The story of Lot, pimping out his daughter to be gang raped to spare the angels. In your mind, is that OK? Would you deliver one of your children to certain abuse by a crazed mob, just because it's in this book?

In both cases what you failed to grasp is that the 'host' was looking to save their respective cities from judgement. Or did you not turn the page on the story of lot either?
So in the book of JUDGES (where examples of Israel/a given tribe commits a horrific sin, and God send a Judge to punish the wicked as per chapter 20 in your case) and in lot's case the two hosts were trying to save their whole cities/tribe from God's wrath and judgement.

Would you be willing sacrifice one life in desperation to try and save everyone else in your city? In your race? Not that either of these men did what they offered, they were just desperate and threw it out there in hopes that the evil they were trying to gaurd against would be quenched.

In my mind these are easy questions for someone living in a modern society.

TURN THE PAGE "modern man"

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