(November 19, 2014 at 12:26 pm)Heywood Wrote: You had full scale war in 1991. You had full scale war in 2003. Between 1991 and 2003 you had a quasi war in which intermittently bombed Iraq. It was really just one big long conflict....and still is. We're 23 years into a modern Hundred Years' War.
What two others have said. Using the no-fly zones and sporadic skirmishes between the two Gulf Wars is a feeble justification for war, one which was never used in the case for war anyway.
Remember, the case for war sold to the American people was that any moment Iraq was going to build a nuclear weapon and then hand it off to Al Qaida, who they were actively allied with. "Don't let the smoking gun be a mushroom cloud" was just one of the lines. They knew by the intelligence that there was no cause to think Iraq was developing nuclear weapons and Saddam and Bin Laden hated each other.
Using the no-fly skirmishes as the justification is not only feeble but also a retroactively applied pretext. "Ah, yeah, that's why we did it."
The justification goal post moving game was played endlessly in the aftermath. First it was WMD and an alleged alliance with Al Qaida. Then it was to spread democracy in the Middle-East. Now it's "we were always at war with Saddam"?
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Quote:We're 23 years into a modern Hundred Years' War.
Thanks W Bush! We wouldn't be if we'd stayed out of Iraq. Saddam, brutal as he was, was a secular dictator. I'd take him back in a cold minute if it meant getting rid of ISIS. I'm sure the Iraqis would as well.
Sandra Day O'Connor should be waking up in a cold sweat screaming and then sobbing "My God, what have I done?"
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