RE: What could a omnipotent God want with the worship of humans?
November 20, 2014 at 1:10 pm
(This post was last modified: November 20, 2014 at 1:15 pm by Jenny A.)
(November 20, 2014 at 12:38 pm)Drich Wrote:(November 20, 2014 at 11:40 am)Jenny A Wrote: The problems with this analogy are myriad.That's easily resolved we are not direct off spring. Again we were Fashioned or made in the Image of God. That is the difference between a painting of a tree and a seedling that came from a tree.
1) Children of any species will generally grow up into something resembling their parents. You and I will not grow up to be omnipotent beings.
Exactly---that's why it's NOT a good analogy. It doesn't fit.
Quote:Quote:2) No one, other than an emotional monster, wants their kids to worship them---I don't even want my pets to worship me.That's not true, or at the least it is short sighted.
Ask yourself do you want your kids to love you? At it's core Worship is directed love. Lets say your kid is special needs and does not share the same 'values' as you do.
Love and worship are not the same--thank god.
Quote:Let's say your kid's idea of expressing love is making a poop and drawing hearts on the walls of your house.
Without a doubt your child loves you as per all the poop stained heart drawings you have on everything you own. The question then becomes will you simply accept the offering of 'poop hearts' pasted all over your stuff, or would you want your kid to direct his love for you in a way that more aligns itself with your idea of love, rather than his?
If you so much as clean up the offering of poop hearts your kid left you, then you are trying to direct/mandate a method of worship, as his personal 'heart felt' expression of love is not acceptable.
So which is it? will you except the crap your kid wants to give you or will you demand that your kid 'worship' you the way you want to be loved?
No, I don't accept all the crap (literally or figurative that my children for friends give me). Expressing the desire not to be adored in anti-social ways is hardly a demand for worship.
Quote:Quote:3) Sharing an emotional bond does not generally involve worship and it shouldn't.Maybe you should define worship.
I using what the dictionary says.
wor·ship
/ˈwərSHəp/
noun
noun: worship
1.the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity.
"the worship of God"
the acts or rites that make up a formal expression of reverence for a deity; a religious ceremony or ceremonies.
show reverence and adoration for (a deity); honor with religious rites.
Again, the point is that good parents don't expect formal adoration or reverence, and shouldn't.
Quote:Quote:4) Parents usually provide rather better for their children than the world provides for people.Those who accept Christ do get 'adopted' into the Family. As such 'we' do get it better than everyone else. That is why there will be a seperation from the wheat and the weeds, the sheep and goats, the wheat and chaff etc...
Here on earth I see no sign that the the religious fare better. Adoption appears to have no immediate consequences for the betterment of the "child."
Quote:Quote:5) Good parents do not play favorites among their kids.Again 'we' are not all God's kids.
Uh huh. Again, not a good analogy.
Quote:Quote:6) Most people value praise from their peers, not from toddlers.ever been a mentor? Ever been a parent? If yes to either you know there is nothing more heart warming than when your kid/Mint-tea shows you a measure of love or appreciation on your own level.
I am a parent and mentor. And gratitude is wondrous, so is appreciation for skill from someone who as learned what that skill actually requires. But the toddler's praise is merely funny, though their hugs are wondrous. The thing is the God you propose want's the praise of toddlers.
Quote:Quote:7) The goal of parenthood is to make self sufficient adults out of children. God appears to want us to be mostly self sufficient in childhood (i.e. like of earth) and then provide for us absolutely afterwards---rather backwards.
Once again I say exactly. It is this life in which your god leaves us to struggle, i.e. our childhood in your analogy, and in our adulthood, that he provides for us. See, backwards.
Parent/child is not a good analogy for the god/human relationship told in the Bible, though the Bible often uses it.
(November 20, 2014 at 12:45 pm)Drich Wrote:(November 20, 2014 at 12:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: emphasis added
Hardly. Being a good grandmother or grandfather does have evolutionary advantages because it increases the possibility that your progeny will continue, which is what natural selection selects for. Not surprisingly there are many species, admittedly mostly primates, in which continued the support of older sisters and mothers is the primary factor in determining whether a first time mother will successfully raise her young to adulthood. And there are other species that do similar things. Elephant herds are matriarchies run by the great-grandma.
If this were true then why does 98% of everything living on this planet not follow this model?
Because there are multiple ways of insuring progeny in the next generation. Insects handle this on by having babies in the thousands. Other species have babies that are all most immediately self sufficient. Species that develop more slowly into self sufficient adults need family. Thus primates is particular have use for family. It is a natural thing not a necessarily god given one.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.