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I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will
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RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will
This is my take on it. It is always assumed that if you have free will, that allows both good and evil.

But I disagree. We don't have total free will, we are restricted by the laws of the universe and also the limits of our minds and bodies. So we effectively have a range of choices. Some of those choices are clearly harmful.

But if God made stuff, he set up all these rules. He decided what kinds of actions we can take, whether or not we can harm other people, and whether we could even conceive of the idea of doing something evil. He could have made things so that we have free will with many different choices, but all those choices were good. Or at least, not harmful in any way. Like a wonderful dream land.

If God couldn't do that, he is not omnipotent. If he chose not to do that, he is responsible for allowing evil choices.

Of course this is all drivel anyway, even if some sort of being created the universe, we have no reason to think they are omnipotent, care about us, are even aware of us, or still exist themself. And it's a big if.

In the real world, science seems to be pointing towards free will being an illusion anyhow. We're only consciously aware of very little going on in our brain, and we don't make decisions at the time we think we are making them. Most likely it's either entirely predictable or involves quantum randomness. To me, adding any kind of real choice on top of that would require evidence which is currently lacking.

I hate the minority report (film). It has such a stupid flawed premise. It is saying that people will do certain things, unless the police stop them. But that's saying the only people who have free will are the police.
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I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Nope - November 22, 2014 at 4:25 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Esquilax - November 22, 2014 at 4:36 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Nope - November 22, 2014 at 4:46 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by psychoslice - November 22, 2014 at 5:38 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Chad32 - November 22, 2014 at 6:08 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Esquilax - November 22, 2014 at 7:09 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Neo-Scholastic - November 23, 2014 at 10:49 am
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Nope - November 23, 2014 at 10:59 am
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by abaris - November 23, 2014 at 11:03 am
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Nope - November 23, 2014 at 12:01 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Losty - November 23, 2014 at 7:45 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Cyberman - November 23, 2014 at 7:58 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Chad32 - November 22, 2014 at 7:52 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Nope - November 22, 2014 at 11:00 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Gawdzilla - November 22, 2014 at 6:45 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Smaug - November 22, 2014 at 7:01 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Cyberman - November 22, 2014 at 7:11 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by abaris - November 22, 2014 at 7:42 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by dyresand - November 22, 2014 at 11:59 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by LivingNumbers - November 23, 2014 at 12:56 am
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Chad32 - November 23, 2014 at 9:06 am
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Chad32 - November 23, 2014 at 10:55 am
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Neo-Scholastic - November 23, 2014 at 12:03 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Nope - November 23, 2014 at 12:22 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by The Valkyrie - November 23, 2014 at 6:57 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Nope - November 23, 2014 at 7:16 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by TreeSapNest - November 25, 2014 at 3:17 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Esquilax - November 23, 2014 at 8:12 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Nope - November 24, 2014 at 12:22 am
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Neo-Scholastic - November 24, 2014 at 10:20 am
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Esquilax - November 25, 2014 at 1:52 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Esquilax - November 24, 2014 at 1:55 am
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by LivingNumbers - November 23, 2014 at 11:41 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Chad32 - November 23, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Nope - November 23, 2014 at 2:19 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Chad32 - November 23, 2014 at 2:48 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by abaris - November 23, 2014 at 2:25 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Nope - November 23, 2014 at 2:31 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Drich - November 23, 2014 at 1:32 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Chad32 - November 23, 2014 at 1:37 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Smaug - November 23, 2014 at 2:03 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Chad32 - November 23, 2014 at 2:16 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Smaug - November 23, 2014 at 2:31 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Nope - November 23, 2014 at 4:06 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Cyberman - November 23, 2014 at 4:31 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Smaug - November 23, 2014 at 3:57 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Chad32 - November 23, 2014 at 6:54 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Smaug - November 23, 2014 at 6:54 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Nope - November 23, 2014 at 7:26 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by The Valkyrie - November 23, 2014 at 7:30 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Chad32 - November 23, 2014 at 7:32 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Nope - November 23, 2014 at 7:48 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Smaug - November 23, 2014 at 8:06 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by SpecUVdust - November 23, 2014 at 8:12 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by ManMachine - November 23, 2014 at 8:28 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by dyresand - November 24, 2014 at 10:52 am
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Nope - November 24, 2014 at 11:57 am
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Losty - November 24, 2014 at 11:29 am
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by TreeSapNest - November 25, 2014 at 4:57 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Chad32 - November 24, 2014 at 11:39 am
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Nope - November 24, 2014 at 12:42 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Chad32 - November 24, 2014 at 12:33 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by dyresand - November 24, 2014 at 12:42 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Chad32 - November 24, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by robvalue - November 25, 2014 at 5:33 am
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Tonus - November 25, 2014 at 2:55 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Losty - November 25, 2014 at 6:10 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Nope - November 26, 2014 at 12:59 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Tonus - November 26, 2014 at 1:27 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by abaris - November 26, 2014 at 3:36 pm
RE: I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will - by Schwa - December 4, 2014 at 8:04 pm

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