If the universe was fine tuned for our life...

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Just sounds like special pleading for the reality where God lives, where the rules of the argument no longer apply for some reason.

Who said God, I didn't say God? Who said the creator was God? As I said much earlier, even if we granted you all of your argument all it gets you is some being in another reality who made a universe. I don't know what point you are trying to make, or is that it?

I call it the "not betting on the horse you think you're betting on" fallacy.