RE: Why should Christians be moral?
December 3, 2014 at 3:14 pm
(This post was last modified: December 3, 2014 at 3:15 pm by Drich.)
(December 3, 2014 at 2:16 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: So drich to boil down what your saying, you mean that god will be sending professed Christians to hell based on weither he thinks they are sincere enough.There is no guessing going on here. We are told that "The Word" (As in The Word/Jesus of John 1:1) will be our judge and will be able to slice our motives, and intentions down into deli thin slices judging our actual motives and thoughts of everything we do.
Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
Quote:Does heoutline some sort of objective test for this in the bible in order to make it more fair sibce he is clearly biased?Yes First we must repent, and accept the attonement offered as an effort to Love our Lord God with all of our being (not as an attempt to loop hole our way out of Hell as per Mat 7)
Then we must forgive others as we ourselves have been forgiven as per the parable of the unmerciful servant. The servant was forgiven a great debt and would not forgive a much smaller debt owed to him. when the debt holder of the servant found out of the servant's actions He had the unmerciful servant thrown in jail.
The same holds true with us. If we truly repent, and turn from sin, yet can not forgive someone's sin against us, then our sins will not be forgiven.
Quote:You BTW I hope you never use Pascal's wager again, as according to you everyone who believes in Christian because of that is basically going to hell anyway.I typically never use the words or thoughts of a dead philospher to do my thinking for me.
That's more of the type of enlightment you will find on the atheist side of the fence.
Christ clearly says in Mat 7:
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Look at the list of things the 'lawless' do. Clearly they consider themselves followers. To Prophesy is to teach or proclaim Christ (this would include televanglists, "Cast out Demons" which includes Priests, and done many wonders in your name which include just about everyone else who has ever done something marvelous for God...
It all boils down to a matter of the Heart. If your Heart is in the right place truly the right place you will earnestly want what God wants for you, and you will do your best to do it. However as Paul says in Romans 7 we are literal slaves to sin and will never escape it. Meaning no matter what we want we will still be sinful people. That is where attonement comes in, if and only if our hearts and minds are right with God.
(December 3, 2014 at 2:57 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(December 3, 2014 at 1:47 am)Drich Wrote: So again, "only if you think God a fool."
But god is a fool. Haven't you read the bible? The entire thing is a litany of failures from a being of unprecedented power and insight to accomplish even one of its goals. The fact that he goes on to blame all those failures on others just makes him dishonest, but the fact is that god is unable to accomplish anything he sets out to do at any point, leaving christians like you to cover for him by appealing to some larger plan, the details of which you don't know, but that totally exists.
"I know! I'll make a perfect creation, and everything will be good! Whoops, my perfect creation got foiled by a couple of naked people I also created, and a snake!"
That doesn't sound like the actions of a smart person to me. In fact, if you added more sound effects and swapped out the words "perfect creation" for "fresh pie on a window sill" you'd basically have a pretty good three stooges skit.
then go with the conclusion of the OP.