The End of the World

[Mister Agenda]

It seems the procedure would be clear once in hell. Surely they'll beg for forgiveness then, when they know what the right religion is and understand the penalty for not seeking forgiveness?

They'll know there is no release from hell, they passed up their opportunity and they will resent God forever, they will hate God and His creation more intensely than ever, they will seethe forever cursing God and reliving every sin every moment of eternity, the more wrong one has done the worse their existence in hell will be, see they will be their own punishment, living in terror and horror ie, weeping and nashing of teeth, begging for the fire and brimstone for some relief of their own living terror. A life they created in this life, a punishment they created in this life, living in darkness never seeing anyone, yet hearing everyone else, reliving their terror and horror forever, with not one moments rest form it. No sleep, no rest, nothing to relieve the mental and physical torment they created for themselves in this life, yes they create their own punishment and chose to live with it forever. This is why I tell you that God is not responsible for your own personally created hell.

You seem to have a whole lot of detail on hell beyond what the Bible says, and a poor understanding of how people relate to their torturers. If hell doesn't make them beg for forgiveness, it can only be because it isn't that bad. Truly suffering people will say anything to make it stop. I suppose cursing would kick in when it's well-established that God is merciless and will never forgive them.

But thanks, I'm sure the lurkers find your religion much more attractive now that you've explained more of it.

It is, all one has to do is chose Christ as savior in this life, see above to know why Christians call Him savior, because unlike atheist want to believe there is something to be saved from, one's own personal self.

But God is unable to forgive dead people, eh?

God gives us the choice to live with Him forever or not to live with Him forever, in eternity there are only two places to live.

That seems silly. Why not a hundred? Or a million? What kind of moral and intellectual midget would only come up with eternal bliss or eternal sorrow for finite acts? What about eternal meh? Eternal replays until you get it right? The Hindu afterlife (afterlives) makes a lot more sense from the point of view of justice, mercy, and fairness.

That's what this life is about, to accept the life God offers through Christ or to live one's own life, God makes the offer, so yes by necessity God gives us the choice.

Through you, you claim, and I've rarely run into someone who makes Christianity sound like the wrong way to go more than you do. If it's really your job to convince us of this, and God is real, he should really help you and he's clearly not. You make him sound demented.

Why, He gives chances to the end of one's life.

As long as you can't know he really exists, you get a chance. As soon as you really know the score, all chances are withdrawn. A cosmic 'gotcha!'.

He extended His mercy throughout one's life.

What mercy does someone who dies when they're three get?

Also, there would be no justice in allowing someone to live against God their entire life and after death giving them amnesty, why, because how would that be fair to those who chose to live for God before death.

They would have to be monsters to prefer that people who didn't agree with them suffer for eternity. I wouldn't wish you a bad day for not being more rational (or kind, or compassionate, or charitable), let alone any significant suffering. I'd certainly rather put up with your company than see you tortured because it wasn't fair to me to have you around.

One more thing here, I'm quite confused, people here cry foul when someone like Jeffrey chooses Christ right before he died and now there's a claim of appeal right after death, curious just curious.

I know it's hard for you to tell the difference between cannibals and decent people who happen not to be Christians, GC, so I'll take that question as sincere. Dahmer can get in if he repents and asks for forgiveness five minutes before he dies, but a Hindu who adopted orphans and died saving a missionary can't get forgiveness five minutes after she dies. It's a cockamamie system. If there is a God and an afterlife, it's got to be run better than that ridiculous set-up you claim.

We witness to people about their choices, we tell them what's behind each door, yet God and his followers are blamed for others wrong choices, that's the reasoning of a child.

Believing fairy tales based on someone's say-so is the reasoning of a child.

You, blaming us for your actions and opinions, that's the same as I described above, childish reasoning. You find excuses to reject God and blame us, see why there are no reprieves after death.

My actions and opinions are my own, and yours are yours. My observing the unseemly relish with which you comtemplate the damnation of those you fail to convert is a side matter. If I were anti-Christian, I'd be grateful for the display of callousness, but in fairness I'd like to remind lurkers that GC only represents a narrow brand of hateful fundamentalism, most Christians are decent folk, and some don't even think you automatically suffer forever if you don't believe their stories.

Yes, there are those who tiptoe though the tulips, but they avoid telling people the truth, why, they want to be pleasing to everyone, they look for kudos from both sides, they play both sides of the fence.

Or maybe they took the admonition of Jesus to be as harmless as doves and wise as serpents to heart. You have to give him credit for getting that you draw people in with the sweetness and light and don't drop the eternal torture on them until they're in so deep that it's hard to get out. Modern 'evangelists' have forgotten that lesson, and are a good portion of the reason that Christianity has begun to dwindle in the USA.

They gamble with they're own salvation, they hinder others who may be searching, why, they desire the first sin, the sin of selfishness.

Apparently the first sin is not believing everything you hear.

Yes Drich and I might be abrasive at times, we tell the real and brutal truth at times, not to gain points with anyone but, because we care.

Is that how Jesus told you to witness? I'm pretty sure he gave instructions that don't translate easily to ranting on the interwebz.

If you desire to see us any other way but caring is your choice, but remember this we have spent a great amount of time here that we could have easily spent doing other thing, things more enjoyable than the treatment we get here.

You enjoy the treatment you get here very much, I think.

There are very few who come here and stay as long as we have, including atheist. Please remember this, we came in love, the love of Christ.

If you come in love, why are you such an ass? I think you come because you like to argue, and you like to feel persecuted. You know you can get a rise out the atheists with your 'believe me or you'll suffer in hell forever and you deserve it, too!' approach, and you keep coming back and keep doing it because THAT is what you love.

The number one tool in a real witness's toolbox is how they behave. You don't have physical evidence. You don't have reason and logic. You don't have miracles. The one thing you have is the way you act. You could get half the 'Nones' back in five years if 10% of Christians exhibited 10% more of the qualites Jesus advocated for his followers. Fat chance of that.

I do think when Christians become a minority here, they'll have a reformation of sorts. Being in the minority is good for improving a religion's behavior. When they can't throw around their weight, it makes them a little more thoughtful. IMHO.

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Have you ever wondered WHY power corrupts so effectively?

If you could do anything you want without any repercussions, would you not?

But what I want is for the world to be a better place. I don't usually fantasize about having God-like power, but I sometimes fantasize about having Gates-like wealth...and I think of all the good things I could do with it (not that Mr. Gates isn't doing a lot of good). Sure, I'd indulge myself a little, and make sure my friends and family were taken care of, but it would only take a percent or two of that kind of money to keep me happy. I'd feel bad about myself if I didn't use the vast majority of it (or at least the vast majority of the interest on it) to improve people's lives.

You don't have to be that good of a person to not want to make people suffer and want to expend a portion of your resources to help the unforunate and the oppressed. Just run-of-the mill decent.