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I can't understand muslims
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RE: I can't understand muslims
(December 10, 2014 at 1:14 am)MysticKnight Wrote:
(December 9, 2014 at 9:33 pm)Iloveporc Wrote: I did some personal researches on muhammed's life and i have to say i'm completely confused. Guys like bill warner claim muhammed became evil in Medina. But muhammed lived peacefully in mecca and he only tried to spread 'the word of god' to the meccans. And the only few followers he had, have been persecuted and even tortured and muhammed had to escape from mecca. he even created a community where jews, christians and muslims could leave peacefully togheter. And in medina he didn't start war for nothing, there was a reason..it was to protect himself from attacking people. But even then he asked for peace with his ennemies afterwards

It's good you are doing your own research, there verses in Quran that specifically says fighting has been allowed now because they are oppressed and only to fight those who fight you, and to incline to peace if the other side inclines to peace.

Also, the opinion of a lot of scholars, even ones in the past, is that disbelievers refers to those who disbelieve guidance that has become clear to them, while doesn't refer to those who don't know it's true.

Thus a believer is also one who follows guidance of God that has come to them, and that as different individually, and can include Atheists.

I go on and off faith in Islam. Today I believe more in Islam then not, so I say this sincerely...I don't think Islam teaches to disrespect people or to hate people or to fight people of other faiths.

If it taught that, I would no longer think about the religion and wouldn't be going faith one day and then disbelief for a week, then faith one day then disbelief for a week thing I been going through.

But i will never agree with the sharia of god. using death penalties for quitting the religion or stoning people to death for adultery, you can say whatever you want and say there are conditions like there must be 4 witnesses according to the 'crime' or the accused one can make his choice to be stoned or not and if he does he will not have to repend and be in troubles on the day off judgement. But those are barbarric teachings and it proves islam is all about a fear-based doctrine. You can find those punishments back in the hadiths of bukkhari which are authentic. And muslims will always answer that our system in the west is not better because we're allowed to buy alcohol and and the youth goes clubbing and there is alot fornication..yeah so what? Alot of teenagers and young people go through this and it doesn't make them necesserely bad people in their later lifes. Sometimes the only person they harm is theirselves if there are teen pregnancies..(that still can be controlled) or accidents..but every society has its negative aspects. Like a converted muslim told me : " in some ways belgium were we live is a more islamic country than arabic countries..because for example our medical system, when someone has an accident or passes out in the streets, you will immediately be taken in charge".
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I can't understand muslims - by Iloveporc - December 6, 2014 at 11:35 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by MysticKnight - December 6, 2014 at 11:56 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Iloveporc - December 7, 2014 at 12:43 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by professor - December 7, 2014 at 12:38 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - December 7, 2014 at 1:17 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Iloveporc - December 7, 2014 at 10:48 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by CapnAwesome - December 7, 2014 at 1:28 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Minimalist - December 7, 2014 at 1:34 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by robvalue - December 7, 2014 at 2:33 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by pocaracas - December 7, 2014 at 7:52 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by professor - December 7, 2014 at 10:21 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Mudhammam - December 7, 2014 at 10:52 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Cato - December 7, 2014 at 12:09 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Mudhammam - December 7, 2014 at 2:06 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Cato - December 8, 2014 at 10:40 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Mudhammam - December 8, 2014 at 5:14 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Minimalist - December 7, 2014 at 12:31 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by robvalue - December 7, 2014 at 12:39 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by mralstoner - December 7, 2014 at 7:24 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by robvalue - December 8, 2014 at 2:16 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by mralstoner - December 9, 2014 at 7:11 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Brian37 - December 8, 2014 at 10:46 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by robvalue - December 9, 2014 at 7:48 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by ManMachine - December 9, 2014 at 7:56 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Iloveporc - December 9, 2014 at 2:01 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Mister Agenda - December 12, 2014 at 12:41 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Iloveporc - December 9, 2014 at 9:33 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by MysticKnight - December 10, 2014 at 1:14 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Iloveporc - December 10, 2014 at 6:51 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by pocaracas - December 10, 2014 at 7:53 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Iloveporc - December 10, 2014 at 8:32 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by pocaracas - December 10, 2014 at 8:36 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by MysticKnight - December 11, 2014 at 9:45 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Iloveporc - December 12, 2014 at 8:28 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by MysticKnight - December 12, 2014 at 9:09 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Iloveporc - December 12, 2014 at 10:42 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 22, 2014 at 4:51 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 22, 2014 at 4:46 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Minimalist - December 10, 2014 at 8:51 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by MysticKnight - December 12, 2014 at 11:31 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Iloveporc - December 13, 2014 at 12:24 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by MysticKnight - December 13, 2014 at 1:45 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by robvalue - December 13, 2014 at 6:26 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by robvalue - December 13, 2014 at 2:53 pm
RE: I can't understand muslims - by robvalue - December 22, 2014 at 4:48 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by pocaracas - December 22, 2014 at 5:18 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 22, 2014 at 5:19 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by robvalue - December 22, 2014 at 5:54 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by TubbyTubby - December 22, 2014 at 6:47 am
RE: I can't understand muslims - by user - January 7, 2015 at 6:26 pm

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