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How do christians view apostasy
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RE: How do christians view apostasy
(December 12, 2014 at 1:28 pm)professor Wrote: Guys here stumble over free will, claiming there isn't any.
If that was the case- we would go from whacked- out to triumphant in one fell swoop.
It don't happen.
It seems that research into psychology is showing us why we act the way we do, and scientists are starting to understand that the idea of going "from whacked-out to triumphant in one fell swoop" almost never happens thanks to the way our beliefs and behavior are learned and the way our brain processes information. There are ways to effect that change in such a short time, but they are usually traumatic in one way or another.

In any case, "free will" is another of those terms that religion has (IMO) co-opted for the sake of convenience; it's a simple and easy way to clear god of blame for the mess that the Genesis story describes, where the people HE created interacted with the serpent HE created and ate of the fruit that HE put within reach... but none of it was HIS fault. It's an awfully poor excuse, but when the Bible gives you lemons...
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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How do christians view apostasy - by TubbyTubby - December 12, 2014 at 4:11 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 4:18 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 12, 2014 at 9:19 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 12, 2014 at 9:20 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Cato - December 12, 2014 at 10:06 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 12, 2014 at 10:22 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by StealthySkeptic - December 13, 2014 at 7:01 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Nope - December 12, 2014 at 2:03 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Silver - December 12, 2014 at 2:07 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 12, 2014 at 6:12 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Ryantology - December 12, 2014 at 6:44 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Silver - December 12, 2014 at 7:39 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Tonus - December 12, 2014 at 10:02 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by FatAndFaithless - December 12, 2014 at 10:04 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 10:18 am
Re: RE: How do christians view apostasy - by TubbyTubby - December 12, 2014 at 10:49 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by John V - December 12, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Jenny A - December 12, 2014 at 11:41 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 12, 2014 at 11:29 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Cato - December 12, 2014 at 12:17 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Tonus - December 12, 2014 at 12:33 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Ravenshire - December 14, 2014 at 8:52 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Jenny A - December 12, 2014 at 11:33 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by polar bear - December 12, 2014 at 11:40 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Minimalist - December 12, 2014 at 12:19 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by vorlon13 - December 12, 2014 at 12:28 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Tombochan - December 12, 2014 at 1:09 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Schwa - December 12, 2014 at 2:52 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 12, 2014 at 1:28 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Tonus - December 12, 2014 at 3:13 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 6:22 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 6:49 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Nope - December 12, 2014 at 6:49 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 12, 2014 at 10:26 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Nope - December 13, 2014 at 2:12 am
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RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Whateverist - December 13, 2014 at 9:24 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 13, 2014 at 6:26 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 6:33 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 13, 2014 at 9:45 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by StealthySkeptic - December 13, 2014 at 10:22 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Jackalope - December 14, 2014 at 8:52 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Crossless1 - December 15, 2014 at 3:35 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Norfolk And Chance - December 15, 2014 at 3:32 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Nope - December 13, 2014 at 9:53 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 12:05 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by watchamadoodle - December 13, 2014 at 8:29 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by vorlon13 - December 13, 2014 at 10:17 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 10:37 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by vorlon13 - December 13, 2014 at 10:44 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 13, 2014 at 10:53 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Whateverist - December 13, 2014 at 4:09 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 4:15 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by vorlon13 - December 13, 2014 at 11:29 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Whateverist - December 13, 2014 at 4:21 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 13, 2014 at 5:27 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Whateverist - December 13, 2014 at 5:36 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 13, 2014 at 6:58 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Tonus - December 13, 2014 at 8:18 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Spooky - December 13, 2014 at 8:29 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 10:19 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 13, 2014 at 7:11 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by StealthySkeptic - December 13, 2014 at 8:34 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 13, 2014 at 9:03 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by StealthySkeptic - December 13, 2014 at 9:18 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 13, 2014 at 10:27 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by StealthySkeptic - December 14, 2014 at 12:40 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Minimalist - December 13, 2014 at 8:44 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 10:25 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 10:33 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Spooky - December 14, 2014 at 1:12 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 14, 2014 at 1:50 am
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RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Drich - December 14, 2014 at 8:02 pm
How do christians view apostasy - by TubbyTubby - December 15, 2014 at 3:51 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 15, 2014 at 3:55 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Crossless1 - December 15, 2014 at 4:03 pm

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