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How do christians view apostasy
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RE: How do christians view apostasy
(December 12, 2014 at 2:07 pm)Sionnach Wrote:
(December 12, 2014 at 9:20 am)professor Wrote: There is a difference between having a knowledge of God and knowing God.

There is also no such thing as knowing god. He can no more be known than one can know a unicorn.

I get it, you do not believe and so you can't accept the possibility of God. That in itself is not a reason a spiritual being can't exist, by necessity it is reason to believe one does. We can't experience this type of being unless it approaches us, and being a spiritual being we can't have a physical experience, so the only thing left is a mental and spiritual experience. This being said, science can't prove or disprove God, nor can it disprove the experience Christians have with their God. So to deny that we do, isn't a reasonable assumption, to deny the unexplained is actually deferring from the scientific process.



(December 12, 2014 at 11:29 am)professor Wrote: Who does not employ faith in their everyday life?
Faith is walking out on what you know.

Quote:There is a major distinction between secular faith and religious faith. I honestly tire of having to explain the difference, but to retain my intellectual integrity I must.

Really, I mean really. We also get tired of explaining the same things over and over, you do not seem to think what we say is intellectually memorable, so tell me why you believe we should think any higher of you, just because you believe your intellectually superior.

Quote:Secular faith is a belief that is confidence or trust in something that is based on proof. I have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow. That kind of faith is based on facts because the sun rises around the same time everyday, and we have witnessed this to be true.

Your witness of the sun rising every morning, does not mean it will rise tomorrow. Science nor your faith in it will guarantee the sun will rise in the morning. The one thing you would never know, that the sun didn't rise in the morning. That type of faith is placed in the physical and the physical can fail at any time without warning. We see that type of faith as temporary, there is a promise of failure at some point.

Quote:Religious faith is a belief in something that is not based on proof. I have faith that god exists. There is no evidence to support the existence of god.

It's not based on your accepted proof, that still doesn't mean God does not exist. You are the one who has no accepted proof, I as a Christian have the proof I need from God and the Bible does teaches we can know God and when one knows God, one knows He exists. Science can't disprove good and what science can't disprove will always have the possibility of existence. Science can not absolutely prove the Big Bang, that means there's the possibility it did not happen. I actually have no problem with the Big Bang, my problem is how science says it happened. Genesis actually describes the creation of the universe as a possible Big Bang.
So science and the Bible could have this in common, the difference is how it got started, and the Bible actually described this several thousand years before science even had a notion.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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How do christians view apostasy - by TubbyTubby - December 12, 2014 at 4:11 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 4:18 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 12, 2014 at 9:19 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 12, 2014 at 9:20 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Cato - December 12, 2014 at 10:06 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 12, 2014 at 10:22 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by StealthySkeptic - December 13, 2014 at 7:01 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Nope - December 12, 2014 at 2:03 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Silver - December 12, 2014 at 2:07 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 12, 2014 at 6:12 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Ryantology - December 12, 2014 at 6:44 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Silver - December 12, 2014 at 7:39 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Tonus - December 12, 2014 at 10:02 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by FatAndFaithless - December 12, 2014 at 10:04 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 10:18 am
Re: RE: How do christians view apostasy - by TubbyTubby - December 12, 2014 at 10:49 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by John V - December 12, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Jenny A - December 12, 2014 at 11:41 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 12, 2014 at 11:29 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Cato - December 12, 2014 at 12:17 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Tonus - December 12, 2014 at 12:33 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Ravenshire - December 14, 2014 at 8:52 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Jenny A - December 12, 2014 at 11:33 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by polar bear - December 12, 2014 at 11:40 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Minimalist - December 12, 2014 at 12:19 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by vorlon13 - December 12, 2014 at 12:28 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Tombochan - December 12, 2014 at 1:09 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Schwa - December 12, 2014 at 2:52 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 12, 2014 at 1:28 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Tonus - December 12, 2014 at 3:13 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 6:22 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 6:49 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Nope - December 12, 2014 at 6:49 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 12, 2014 at 10:26 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Nope - December 13, 2014 at 2:12 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 13, 2014 at 2:26 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Whateverist - December 13, 2014 at 9:24 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 13, 2014 at 6:26 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 6:33 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 13, 2014 at 9:45 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by StealthySkeptic - December 13, 2014 at 10:22 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Jackalope - December 14, 2014 at 8:52 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Crossless1 - December 15, 2014 at 3:35 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Norfolk And Chance - December 15, 2014 at 3:32 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Nope - December 13, 2014 at 9:53 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 12:05 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by watchamadoodle - December 13, 2014 at 8:29 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by vorlon13 - December 13, 2014 at 10:17 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 10:37 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by vorlon13 - December 13, 2014 at 10:44 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 13, 2014 at 10:53 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Whateverist - December 13, 2014 at 4:09 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 4:15 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by vorlon13 - December 13, 2014 at 11:29 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Whateverist - December 13, 2014 at 4:21 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 13, 2014 at 5:27 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Whateverist - December 13, 2014 at 5:36 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 13, 2014 at 6:58 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Tonus - December 13, 2014 at 8:18 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Spooky - December 13, 2014 at 8:29 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 10:19 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 13, 2014 at 7:11 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by StealthySkeptic - December 13, 2014 at 8:34 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 13, 2014 at 9:03 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by StealthySkeptic - December 13, 2014 at 9:18 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 13, 2014 at 10:27 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by StealthySkeptic - December 14, 2014 at 12:40 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Minimalist - December 13, 2014 at 8:44 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 10:25 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 10:33 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Spooky - December 14, 2014 at 1:12 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 14, 2014 at 1:50 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by CapnAwesome - December 14, 2014 at 4:58 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Drich - December 14, 2014 at 8:02 pm
How do christians view apostasy - by TubbyTubby - December 15, 2014 at 3:51 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 15, 2014 at 3:55 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Crossless1 - December 15, 2014 at 4:03 pm

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