RE: I can't understand muslims
December 12, 2014 at 8:28 pm
(This post was last modified: December 12, 2014 at 8:40 pm by Iloveporc.)
(December 11, 2014 at 9:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(December 10, 2014 at 8:32 pm)Iloveporc Wrote: According to the muslims they are more authentic in the way that those hadiths are the most trustable ones..and the others are weaker or even possibly have been made up.
And yeah i have to admit the medical system example was quiete dumb. But i did understand the message he was trying to give..the positive sides of religion are more applied in our country than the muslim countries. Islam has failed to spread and apply his message correctly..thats what i was trying to say
The Prophet and 12 Imams in the Shiite tradition said to throw out any hadith that contradicts the Quran. In this case, lashing is the punishment for zina (which covers fornication and adultery by definition) which was revealed in context of the wife of the Prophet being accused of doing it. So this is clearly one of the innovations in religion that found it's way in hadiths. Plus all the hadiths practically say it was a verse in Quran, and verses missing from the Quran that are still applicable is a problem in itself, because nothing replaced it that is better then it or same as it, therefore it contradicts what Quran says about it's abrogation.
That whole thing of hadiths and abrogation of the verses make islam hard to understand. There is a verse of the quran that says something like ´there are verses that we have abrogated and replaced with similar verses'. Why would an omnipotent omniscient all and everything knowing god need to make some kind of updates of certain verses? Yes it's true that the punishment for zina are 100 lashes it's clearly written in the quran. And the the missing verse you're talking about refers to the verse for adultery which is not the same as zina. The hadith tells the prophet has stoned people but that that the verse of al rajam (stoning) is missing because a goat or another kind of animal eated that verse hahahah. And it doesn't make sense because a verse in the quran sais ´we brought to you the final version of the book containing no lacks or mistakes'...or something like that. Even scholars, imams and cheiks have different meanings on what is applicable or what has been cancelled or not.
Muhammed claims he received the final message of god and god claims everybody has to follow and copy muhammed. Think deeply about this..it sounds like some kind of mutual egocentrism made up by the prophet
that whole islam doctrine is really confusing and it's going to blow my brain up!