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How do christians view apostasy
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RE: How do christians view apostasy
(December 13, 2014 at 9:03 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(December 13, 2014 at 8:34 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: Hasn't stopped people from treating non Christians like second class citizens. Or are you going to pretend for a second that prohibiting Christians from marrying non-believers isn't a part of early Christian religion, dictated by St. Paul?

That's not true Paul urged Christians not to marry unbelievers so they would not have to go through tougher times than marriage can be. He also didn't want Satan to have a person that close working to draw them away from Christ.

GC

Pressuring in that manner, because of an imaginary fear of an imaginary adversary that would never in a million years actually go up against an omnipotent deity, is pretty much the way that interfaith marriage, which is proven to increase religious tolerance and reduce religiously inspired violence in an area, was treated as a bad idea, thereby basically prohibited in practice by the society. Sure, it can be bad if both people are hardcore about their religion, but...egads, maybe agreeing to disagree for the happiness of the couple and allowing kids from said marriage to have choices other than blatant indoctrination is much more important than cowing before an ancient text!

Confusedhock:

(December 13, 2014 at 9:03 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(December 13, 2014 at 8:34 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: Hasn't stopped people from treating non Christians like second class citizens. Or are you going to pretend for a second that prohibiting Christians from marrying non-believers isn't a part of early Christian religion, dictated by St. Paul?

That's not true Paul urged Christians not to marry unbelievers so they would not have to go through tougher times than marriage can be. He also didn't want Satan to have a person that close working to draw them away from Christ.

GC

(December 13, 2014 at 10:44 am)vorlon13 Wrote: I've never heard much of an explanation as to how someone who had sincerely accepted Jesus in the first place could be an apostate, but I suppose there will be someone along here to clarify that.

Here I am Big Grin, God did not take away a person's free will when they were saved, they were saved in their free will and they can give up their salvation in free will. Some give it up believing they will always be saved, because of one thing bad doctrine. Scriptures never say one will always keep their salvation no matter what, it's actually clear that this is what can happen.
As for someone coming back to God, saying "I believe in Jesus," is no more valid than if someone says it for the first time and they do not have a repentant heart when they say "I believe in Jesus."

GC

Once again, how convenient for your religion. Obviously if you acknowledged that people who were sincerely Christian but then left were...actually sincerely Christian before they left, then logically Christianity might not magically be the solution for everything somehow.

So ignore that pesky logic and keep on bowing by sticking to the No True Christian fallacy! Demeaning the experiences of ex-Christians since 33 AD!

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How do christians view apostasy - by TubbyTubby - December 12, 2014 at 4:11 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 4:18 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 12, 2014 at 9:19 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 12, 2014 at 9:20 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Cato - December 12, 2014 at 10:06 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 12, 2014 at 10:22 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by StealthySkeptic - December 13, 2014 at 7:01 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Nope - December 12, 2014 at 2:03 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Silver - December 12, 2014 at 2:07 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 12, 2014 at 6:12 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Ryantology - December 12, 2014 at 6:44 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Silver - December 12, 2014 at 7:39 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Tonus - December 12, 2014 at 10:02 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by FatAndFaithless - December 12, 2014 at 10:04 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 10:18 am
Re: RE: How do christians view apostasy - by TubbyTubby - December 12, 2014 at 10:49 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by John V - December 12, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Jenny A - December 12, 2014 at 11:41 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 12, 2014 at 11:29 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Cato - December 12, 2014 at 12:17 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Tonus - December 12, 2014 at 12:33 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Ravenshire - December 14, 2014 at 8:52 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Jenny A - December 12, 2014 at 11:33 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by polar bear - December 12, 2014 at 11:40 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Minimalist - December 12, 2014 at 12:19 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by vorlon13 - December 12, 2014 at 12:28 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Tombochan - December 12, 2014 at 1:09 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Schwa - December 12, 2014 at 2:52 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 12, 2014 at 1:28 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Tonus - December 12, 2014 at 3:13 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 6:22 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 6:49 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Nope - December 12, 2014 at 6:49 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 12, 2014 at 10:26 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Nope - December 13, 2014 at 2:12 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 13, 2014 at 2:26 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Whateverist - December 13, 2014 at 9:24 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 13, 2014 at 6:26 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 6:33 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 13, 2014 at 9:45 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by StealthySkeptic - December 13, 2014 at 10:22 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Jackalope - December 14, 2014 at 8:52 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Crossless1 - December 15, 2014 at 3:35 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Norfolk And Chance - December 15, 2014 at 3:32 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Nope - December 13, 2014 at 9:53 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 12:05 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by watchamadoodle - December 13, 2014 at 8:29 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by vorlon13 - December 13, 2014 at 10:17 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 10:37 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by vorlon13 - December 13, 2014 at 10:44 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 13, 2014 at 10:53 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Whateverist - December 13, 2014 at 4:09 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 4:15 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by vorlon13 - December 13, 2014 at 11:29 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Whateverist - December 13, 2014 at 4:21 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 13, 2014 at 5:27 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Whateverist - December 13, 2014 at 5:36 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 13, 2014 at 6:58 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Tonus - December 13, 2014 at 8:18 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Spooky - December 13, 2014 at 8:29 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 10:19 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 13, 2014 at 7:11 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by StealthySkeptic - December 13, 2014 at 8:34 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 13, 2014 at 9:03 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by StealthySkeptic - December 13, 2014 at 9:18 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Godschild - December 13, 2014 at 10:27 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by StealthySkeptic - December 14, 2014 at 12:40 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Minimalist - December 13, 2014 at 8:44 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 10:25 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by dyresand - December 13, 2014 at 10:33 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Spooky - December 14, 2014 at 1:12 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 14, 2014 at 1:50 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by CapnAwesome - December 14, 2014 at 4:58 am
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Drich - December 14, 2014 at 8:02 pm
How do christians view apostasy - by TubbyTubby - December 15, 2014 at 3:51 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by professor - December 15, 2014 at 3:55 pm
RE: How do christians view apostasy - by Crossless1 - December 15, 2014 at 4:03 pm

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