RE: Atheists who become Christians
December 26, 2014 at 12:17 pm
(This post was last modified: December 26, 2014 at 12:22 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(December 24, 2014 at 9:08 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You're a skeptic but I believe your bias prevents you from being skeptical in regards to this. You have a vested interest in preserving your own world view, as do I.
I have a history of changing my world view when it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. I'd much rather actually be right than just think I'm right. The more things I'm mistaken about that I discover, the more right I will be.
(December 24, 2014 at 9:08 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: All we can do is try to look at any problem from each others view. Admittedly it's harder for you if you haven't understood fully from a belief perspective the logic of that position.
I didn't read the Bible twice because I was a skeptic. I was far from it. I read it twice because I was a believer.
(December 24, 2014 at 9:08 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Every theist will, I presume, understand the atheistic position.
I've rarely encountered a theist for whom that's true. Some very intelligent theists seem completely unable to grasp the simplest things about atheism or atheists.
(December 24, 2014 at 9:08 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: It's where we all came from.
But most of us who were raised religious can't remember the time before we started to believe in God, which was probably the instant someone told us about it, since willingness to believe what the adults in their lives tell them is a survival feature for very young children.
(December 24, 2014 at 9:08 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: So skepticism should be the theists ace card. We are in the best position to assess both stances on their merit.
You've rarely uttered such profoundly complete BS here before. Small children are not atheists because of skepticism. They are simply ignorant of the concept. There's nothing easier than being a theist who has never had a skeptical bone in their body. It's probably just as easy for an atheist not to be a skeptic if they weren't exposed to the idea of God while they were still at the susceptible age. I suppose that's one way we get atheists who believe in astrology or homeopathy.
(December 24, 2014 at 9:08 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: To the theist, atheistic logic is contradictory, in that it is self defeating, for example. I have discussed logic points on this board very many times and not once have my beliefs been successfully challenged, to the extent that I had to change my mind and change my beliefs.
We're all aware of your invulnerability to logic. Your belief that your own unwillingness to change your mind constitutes evidence that the logic you've been presented with fails is a good illustration of why it's wasted on you.
(December 24, 2014 at 9:08 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I personally don't think it's possible to have knowledge and then believe the contrary to that knowledge.
If you don't know the difference between 'knowledge' and 'opinion', I can see how it could be hard for you to grasp how that could be done.
(December 24, 2014 at 9:08 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Cognitive dissonance will get you in the end.
It certainly got me. That's why I'm an atheist.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.