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Atheists who become Christians
RE: Atheists who become Christians
(December 27, 2014 at 8:05 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Humans conceptualise. It's what we do. You can call it man made. But then the entirety of existence AS WE KNOW IT would be man made too.

I added in the bolded and shouted bit to make a point. One of our concepts is reality as it is in itself. We recognize that all of our attempts to describe this universe thing in itself are necessarily gathered by way of our particular sensory/cognitive array. But beneath and beyond our best attempts to describe it is what we posit to be the universe itself which might well reveal other aspects given a different perceptual cognitive array.

So I think it can't be right to say the entirety of existence is man made. Better to say that what we know of it is man filtered. But we assume there is something there beyond our descriptions of it which make some descriptions better than others.

My own suspicion is that making any assumption about a god beyond our conception of it would be a mistake. Our experience of god is really all there is of it. If we find god in every aspect of the universe it is because god is in the filter we use to describe the universe. Where our filters go, there goes god. God isn't out there. It's in here if its anywhere at all.
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Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 21, 2014 at 10:36 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 10:41 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 21, 2014 at 11:14 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 10:43 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Silver - December 21, 2014 at 1:23 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by IATIA - December 21, 2014 at 10:44 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Alex K - December 21, 2014 at 10:55 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 21, 2014 at 11:27 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 11:11 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Spooky - December 21, 2014 at 11:18 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 11:33 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Alex K - December 21, 2014 at 11:51 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Spooky - December 21, 2014 at 11:55 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 12:02 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 11:19 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 21, 2014 at 11:42 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 11:55 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 21, 2014 at 12:04 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 12:13 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 12:19 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 12:39 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 21, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 1:45 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 21, 2014 at 3:16 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 21, 2014 at 3:51 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 3:54 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 8:51 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 21, 2014 at 9:01 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Minimalist - December 21, 2014 at 2:16 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Whateverist - December 21, 2014 at 5:11 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by h4ym4n - December 23, 2014 at 6:43 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mister Agenda - December 23, 2014 at 11:06 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 11:51 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 11:57 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 21, 2014 at 3:19 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 9:14 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 21, 2014 at 10:20 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 21, 2014 at 12:05 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 12:07 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 12:17 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 1:45 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 22, 2014 at 3:45 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 21, 2014 at 12:36 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 12:39 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 12:49 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 1:41 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Silver - December 21, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 21, 2014 at 1:03 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 1:06 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 21, 2014 at 1:09 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thackerie - December 21, 2014 at 2:15 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Exian - December 21, 2014 at 3:04 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 21, 2014 at 5:23 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 10:38 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by dyresand - December 22, 2014 at 12:11 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mister Agenda - December 23, 2014 at 10:57 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 22, 2014 at 10:31 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 1:03 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 21, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 21, 2014 at 1:47 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by strawdawg - December 21, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 2:21 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by The Valkyrie - December 21, 2014 at 3:50 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Silver - December 21, 2014 at 2:25 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Kitty Galore - December 21, 2014 at 2:46 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by TheRealJoeFish - December 22, 2014 at 1:16 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 22, 2014 at 10:18 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by dyresand - December 22, 2014 at 10:25 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 22, 2014 at 1:38 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 25, 2014 at 2:42 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by RobbyPants - December 22, 2014 at 10:36 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by strawdawg - December 22, 2014 at 11:43 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 22, 2014 at 12:05 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 22, 2014 at 2:24 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by strawdawg - December 22, 2014 at 3:05 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 23, 2014 at 1:15 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 22, 2014 at 11:49 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by strawdawg - December 22, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by IATIA - December 22, 2014 at 12:59 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 22, 2014 at 12:24 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Jenny A - December 26, 2014 at 1:12 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 22, 2014 at 10:08 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 23, 2014 at 9:44 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mister Agenda - December 23, 2014 at 11:30 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 24, 2014 at 9:08 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 25, 2014 at 4:34 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 26, 2014 at 9:35 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mister Agenda - December 26, 2014 at 12:30 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 26, 2014 at 3:11 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 23, 2014 at 11:14 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 23, 2014 at 11:06 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by dyresand - December 24, 2014 at 11:55 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Violet - December 24, 2014 at 9:14 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 25, 2014 at 3:06 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 26, 2014 at 9:27 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 25, 2014 at 5:59 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 26, 2014 at 9:39 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by The Grand Nudger - December 26, 2014 at 9:34 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 27, 2014 at 3:39 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 26, 2014 at 9:26 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Whateverist - December 27, 2014 at 10:45 am
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