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Christianity and its effect on self-worth
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RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth
(December 31, 2014 at 11:27 am)Drich Wrote: While many may not know who Newton was in relation to this song, they can still connect with it, not because they are 18th century slave traders, but because at their core they know they need attonement for whatever they did. Like I said it is the broken who seek redemption. If one sees himself as being outside even the bounds of man's morality they can identify with this song.

I unfortunately am in agreement with everything else you said.

The problem with that, is the standard in which you find 'moral' does not meet the requirement of God.
Atonement is unnecessary for people who have done no wrong. The wrong you speak of occupies the mystical realm of original sin, a despicable concept that I reject.

Your assertion about morality is also based on the supposed brokenness of humans. As such, I reject it out of hand as well since it is based on a magical concept that only exists in the minds of those who inexplicably believe it.
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." ~ Benjamin Franklin
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Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Strider - December 30, 2014 at 2:27 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Spooky - December 30, 2014 at 2:48 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Minimalist - December 30, 2014 at 2:51 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Spooky - December 30, 2014 at 2:55 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Strider - December 30, 2014 at 3:09 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Spooky - December 30, 2014 at 3:22 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Strider - December 30, 2014 at 4:05 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - December 30, 2014 at 3:32 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - December 30, 2014 at 4:24 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by abaris - December 30, 2014 at 3:34 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - December 30, 2014 at 3:41 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Godschild - December 30, 2014 at 6:43 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - December 30, 2014 at 6:47 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Godschild - December 30, 2014 at 7:13 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Silver - December 30, 2014 at 7:25 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Strider - December 30, 2014 at 7:36 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Esquilax - December 30, 2014 at 7:41 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Chad32 - December 30, 2014 at 7:57 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by John V - December 30, 2014 at 4:24 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by abaris - December 30, 2014 at 4:28 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Minimalist - December 30, 2014 at 4:30 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Strider - December 30, 2014 at 4:57 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by John V - December 30, 2014 at 5:18 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - December 30, 2014 at 5:23 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by John V - December 30, 2014 at 5:28 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by abaris - December 30, 2014 at 5:32 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Esquilax - December 30, 2014 at 6:08 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by abaris - December 30, 2014 at 5:26 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Strider - December 30, 2014 at 5:37 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Tonus - December 31, 2014 at 8:49 am
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RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Chad32 - December 30, 2014 at 4:49 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - December 30, 2014 at 5:06 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Minimalist - December 30, 2014 at 5:56 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by abaris - December 30, 2014 at 7:57 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - December 30, 2014 at 8:02 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Godschild - December 30, 2014 at 9:07 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by abaris - December 30, 2014 at 9:12 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - December 30, 2014 at 9:16 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Godschild - December 30, 2014 at 9:42 pm
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RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Godschild - December 30, 2014 at 9:55 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Spooky - December 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - December 30, 2014 at 10:15 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Godschild - December 30, 2014 at 10:38 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - December 30, 2014 at 10:45 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Ryantology - December 30, 2014 at 10:51 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Godschild - December 30, 2014 at 10:58 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Ryantology - December 30, 2014 at 11:04 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - December 30, 2014 at 11:00 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Silver - December 30, 2014 at 11:06 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - December 30, 2014 at 11:21 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Spooky - December 31, 2014 at 8:53 am
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Strider - December 30, 2014 at 10:35 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Godschild - December 31, 2014 at 1:13 am
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Ryantology - December 30, 2014 at 10:26 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Chad32 - December 30, 2014 at 10:33 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Godschild - December 30, 2014 at 10:52 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Chad32 - December 31, 2014 at 12:24 am
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RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Spooky - December 31, 2014 at 8:46 am
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Silver - December 30, 2014 at 11:28 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - December 30, 2014 at 11:33 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Godschild - December 31, 2014 at 5:25 am
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by abaris - December 31, 2014 at 10:53 am
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RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Godschild - December 31, 2014 at 7:03 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Esquilax - December 31, 2014 at 8:02 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Esquilax - January 1, 2015 at 11:56 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - January 1, 2015 at 10:22 pm
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RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - January 1, 2015 at 10:47 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Godschild - January 1, 2015 at 11:24 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Spooky - January 1, 2015 at 11:48 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Godschild - January 1, 2015 at 11:59 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Chad32 - December 31, 2014 at 1:40 am
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Drich - December 31, 2014 at 10:56 am
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Strider - December 31, 2014 at 11:20 am
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Silver - December 31, 2014 at 12:15 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Drich - December 31, 2014 at 11:27 am
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by abaris - December 31, 2014 at 11:35 am
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Chad32 - December 31, 2014 at 1:35 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - December 31, 2014 at 2:52 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Esquilax - December 31, 2014 at 3:00 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - December 31, 2014 at 3:02 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Strider - December 31, 2014 at 11:56 am
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by robvalue - January 2, 2015 at 11:23 am
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - January 2, 2015 at 12:06 pm
Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by TubbyTubby - January 2, 2015 at 12:25 pm
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RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Chad32 - January 2, 2015 at 10:11 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - January 3, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Spooky - January 5, 2015 at 8:36 am
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Spooky - January 5, 2015 at 3:31 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Spooky - January 5, 2015 at 8:36 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 2:41 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by abaris - January 6, 2015 at 8:55 am
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RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Alex K - January 6, 2015 at 10:41 am
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RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Strider - January 5, 2015 at 8:20 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Strider - January 5, 2015 at 8:35 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Godschild - January 6, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by dyresand - January 6, 2015 at 12:29 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Strider - January 6, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Natachan - January 6, 2015 at 10:26 am
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RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Alex K - January 6, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth - by Strider - January 6, 2015 at 1:19 pm
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