Christianity and its effect on self-worth

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That info was there for anyone to read, it wasn't hidden, you found it right. That same info is in other studies and on other sites.

Yes, and the conclusions of the study directly contradict the conclusions that conservapedia came to regarding the same data. Did that- rather pertinent- detail elude you?

No they do not, you're expressing an opinion, more atheist take their lives than Christians period. Christians are not exempt from mental disorders and the study shows they handle it better. You can hold to your belief as to why, though it's not true nor factual. I live in the Christian community and so doing have a better insight into what they believe.
The OP was Christianity makes self esteem worse for Christians than the unbelief of atheist. The study shows this isn't true thus my argument against the OP.

You use Quotes from biased sites, yet for you that seems to be okay, double standards have been a signature with you, it's why I do not like to converse with you.

Which quotes, from which biased sites, please? Or is bias just anything that disagrees with you?

You bring things in from atheist sites and evolutionary sites, both are biased in nature to Christian beliefs, but I guess this little thing has eluded you.

Just like this study it shows things that are true about atheist but, instead of considering helping to change things you want to deny it so you want look bad. Know what it's not about looking bad, it's about getting things better.

... and that the thing christians have that gives them their lower suicide rate (moral objections to the concept) are not beneficial to them, in that it doesn't address the root cause of the suicides, which the studies say is equal among both groups.

You are contradicting yourself and the study, first you say the rate of suicide is lower in Christians then you say it's equal to the atheist rate of suicide, and I'm suppose to take your ideas seriously, especially when you are doing what the study and others studies say,"passing the problems onto others," mainly Christians.

If you actually think about it- I know, what a concept! - you would see that I'm doing more to help here, in pointing out that the christian "edge" in this issue is not the cure you're trying to make it out to be. Ruling out unhelpful or ineffective methods of combating a problem is much more constructive than merely pointing out that the problem exists, and then gloating that it doesn't affect your group as much.

The study by these institutions show Christians are not exempt from mental disorders nor suicide and it also shows that Christians can cope with this better because of their beliefs. The study shows atheist have no support in their disbelief because there's nothing in disbelief to help, disbelief is necessarily nothing. This is what the OP's about, right, that Christianity degrades the Christian's self worth and if this was true the suicide rate should necessarily be higher for us, but the reality of it is atheist have a higher rate of suicide.
As for gloating, that's been your signature ever since you've been here, you think more highly of yourself than even your fellow atheist and that's exactly why all the Christians here have a problem with you.
Shifting blame and/or responsibility is in no way helpful.

As for the fear thing, you're expressing an opinion, so here's mine and it's from the perspective of knowing Christians, God teaches us to love life and to respect it and this is why the suicide rate for Christians is lower.

The suicide rate is lower- for imaginary reasons- but the depression rate remains the same. You've fantasized a band-aid to patch over a symptom, while the disease affects both groups equally.

Even if it were for imaginary reasons, which it's not, the fact remains that the OP is in contradiction to the institutions studies, the OP is nothing more than unprofessional opinion. These institutions are of the highest professionalism and their research stands as such also. The disease doesn't effect both equally, if it did the suicide rate would be the same, you really do have trouble with understanding this, don't you.

When people believe human life is no more valuable than animals and animals are used for food and we euthanize animals because they are either suffering or it's not cost effective to keep them alive or kill them for sport and ect.

So it offends your dignity, therefore it can't be true?

It doesn't offend my dignity, it's against all I believe, human life will always be more important than an animals and if you can't see this you are someone to be feared in your judgment.

Incidentally, you've only partially described my position there, since there are certain aspects of what you've said that I agree with, and parts that I don't and would never partake of myself, if you're feeling tempted to call me a hypocrite here.

If I'm tempted to call you a hypocrite, what? What are the differences how is one to respond to something so incomplete?

It's no wonder the suicide rate is higher among this group of people, when human life is seen no more valuable than those we kill for various reasons, this is my greatest beef with evolution. Human life has a much greater importance than any animal.
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Why is it of greater importance? Because you said so? Because god said so?

If you can't see that human life is far more valuable than an animals you are seriously callous, maybe heartless. God created us to have a relationship with Him and gave us dominion over the animals, that's the simple answer, yet something you want accept.

See, from an evolutionary standpoint I can say that humans are important, and I can justify that by pointing to our advanced consciousness and intellect, arising as it did almost uniquely from our shared animal lineage with every other species on the planet. Whereas you can just assert that we're more special, based on fiat nothings...

That's no justification, evolution shows no respect for any life being any more important and in conversations all over this site it's been made quite clear this is the effect evolution has on people. I've seen time and again evolutionist state that no one life is more important than another, this kind of thinking degrades human life, this is exactly what atheist have to deal with when believing suicide is the answer. Your expressed opinion of fiat nothingness doesn't match the study, however the bases of Christianity fits the study well.

You may have a beef with evolution, but your reasoning is misplaced.

My reasoning has been expressed by many evolutionist, even Darwin's father who proposed evolution in his writings before Darwin came to this conclusion. Darwin's father had no proof of what he was proposing, no scientific certainties just a belief, yep a belief system is the way evolution started and continues to this day. Deny this all you want but, the truth of evolution is out there and you can't get rid of it. Evolution is detrimental to man and his health.

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