A Simple Rule

[Mister Agenda]

Good use of capitalization, if you think shouting is a valid method of argumentation.

I get that way when I make arguments that are repeatedly ignored.

Your arguments have not been ignored, they've been refuted.

Germans do not consciously choose to be Germans, it's an accident of birth. In this way being a Muslim is analogous to being a German.

When you find the "Islam gene" then I'll concede that Islam is a race.

Why would you 'concede' something no one here is claiming? It's clear that we're the ones whose arguments aren't being listened to.

Until then, it's an ideology that is open to criticism in the field of ideas and not associated with any individual or people.

That is correct. Once again you demonstrate your erroneous understanding of the people to whom you are talking, none of whom have said that Islam is not an ideology or that it's not open to criticism. Trying to get through to you on that point is largely what this discussion has been about.

Every German can become an ex-German, too.

Not by heritage. By citizenship, perhaps, but not by heritage.

So which one do you suppose I meant?

And heritage, that is affiliating a label with a person and not a concept, is what we're talking about. Therefore, your point that one can change citizenship is moving the goal posts.

Because when someone born into a Muslim society stops being a Muslim, they no longer have a Muslim heritage? How does that work? I'm no longer a Christian but I certainly still have a Christian heritage.

My guess it that it's because you have blinders on when it comes to Islam that prevent you from working through an analogy appropriately or lead you to over-extend it.

Or maybe I understand the basic concept that Islam is not a race.

No kidding, Sherlock.

Potential for indoctrination from birth does not turn an idea into a race.

Ya think?

I'd like to reach an agreement on this point before we go any further.

That seems unlikely given that you seem to be incapbable of comprehending on what points we already agree. This is exactly what I meant by 'blinders'. It's not like you're not smart enough to get that I'm not claiming Islam is a race, it's your preconception of what my position must be if I'm not on team 'Islamophobia is not real' that's keeping you from seeing it.

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Percentage of they? Sorry I don't understand what you mean. I don't know what percentage of muslims are under threat of death to conform, but I think I heard it was like 13 countries or something. Maybe they weren't all muslim countries.

I don't know how many live in free countries either. Not sure why it's important to what I said.

What you said:

"In fact, I sympathise more with islam because they often have people actually threatening their life for disbelief rather than just social isolation etc. Once they are in a free country, then they are choosing to continue with the bullshit, rather than having to."

I took the liberty of bolding the 'they' about whom I'm confused concerning who you are talking about.