RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 8, 2015 at 12:33 pm
(This post was last modified: January 8, 2015 at 12:37 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(January 8, 2015 at 11:12 am)strawdawg Wrote: Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The Kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
God's not going to prove anything to you, it's the other way around, you have to prove something to him.
This is a claim. Why should we believe it?
(January 8, 2015 at 12:29 pm)alpha male Wrote: I disagree that a claim must be consistent with what we know about reality.
First, this statement is ambiguous, particularly "we" and "know."
Second, as I understand those terms, this criterion is not generally applied to claims. For example, we knew that time proceeded at a constant rate everywhere. By your criteria, we wouldn't have bothered listening to Einstein, because we knew that his claim was not consistent with reality.
I think we have a different understanding of the terms used than you do. We did not know his claim was not consistent with reality, and it, in fact, was consistent with reality; at least out to enough decimal points as makes no matter until you start having to deal with quantum weirdness. And Einstein made a prediction of an observation that could be made which would falsify his claim if he were wrong. He met his burden of proof.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.