RE: Double standards on freedom of speech
January 9, 2015 at 4:02 am
(This post was last modified: January 9, 2015 at 4:02 am by paulpablo.)
On the one hand I agree that it's stupid to not allow people to question the holocaust. I think it's probably stupid to question the holocaust but I don't think it should be a crime.
But when you look at what you're comparing,
It's being arrested for denying a crime against humanity happened, downplaying what happened and putting it in print.
And killing people for drawing a picture of a man.
The holocaust is an actual crime against humanity that occurred only a few of generations ago. I think making it a crime to question that it happened is over sensitive to the issue but it's at least a slightly understandable.
And even though the people who deny the holocaust may be fired, abused, mocked and so on, I haven't heard about them being shot in the street or killed. Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough I don't know.
I haven't heard of any Jews killing people for depictions of Moses or Abraham either.
There's at least some slight reasoning to the laws against holocaust denial , I think people are hoping to stop history repeating itself by knowing what happened, and avoiding making the same mistakes. Denial that anything happened or that what happened isn't so bad is pretty much a step in the wrong direction.
In a thousand years time or so Hitler will probably just be another page in the history book along with Alexander the great, Napoleon and Ghengis Khan, but for now I think people are going to take offense at the notion that the war crimes which happened under his leadership didn't happen.
Also they aren't saying don't show pictures of the holocaust because it offends me and if you do I'll kill you.
On the other hand Muslims stabbing people to death for helping write a book that mocks Islam, planning to blow up a church which has a non offensive depiction of Muhammad inside, constant death threats, mass killings. None of this seems to have any reasoning behind it.
I think a lot of the people who draw the insulting pictures of Muhammad only do it to begin with because of how unreasonably easily offended and violent Muslims can get, and I do sympathize with those people.
I sympathize with someone who wants to deny the holocaust without getting arrested also, but I sympathize much more with someone who wants to draw a picture without being stabbed to death.
I don't really think you made this thread with the intention of supporting the rights of the holocaust deniers.
I don't really know what the point you're trying to make is, something along the lines of, well people have been arrested for denying things about the holocaust so why are people outraged when Muslims kill people for drawing Muhammad?
But when you look at what you're comparing,
It's being arrested for denying a crime against humanity happened, downplaying what happened and putting it in print.
And killing people for drawing a picture of a man.
The holocaust is an actual crime against humanity that occurred only a few of generations ago. I think making it a crime to question that it happened is over sensitive to the issue but it's at least a slightly understandable.
And even though the people who deny the holocaust may be fired, abused, mocked and so on, I haven't heard about them being shot in the street or killed. Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough I don't know.
I haven't heard of any Jews killing people for depictions of Moses or Abraham either.
There's at least some slight reasoning to the laws against holocaust denial , I think people are hoping to stop history repeating itself by knowing what happened, and avoiding making the same mistakes. Denial that anything happened or that what happened isn't so bad is pretty much a step in the wrong direction.
In a thousand years time or so Hitler will probably just be another page in the history book along with Alexander the great, Napoleon and Ghengis Khan, but for now I think people are going to take offense at the notion that the war crimes which happened under his leadership didn't happen.
Also they aren't saying don't show pictures of the holocaust because it offends me and if you do I'll kill you.
On the other hand Muslims stabbing people to death for helping write a book that mocks Islam, planning to blow up a church which has a non offensive depiction of Muhammad inside, constant death threats, mass killings. None of this seems to have any reasoning behind it.
I think a lot of the people who draw the insulting pictures of Muhammad only do it to begin with because of how unreasonably easily offended and violent Muslims can get, and I do sympathize with those people.
I sympathize with someone who wants to deny the holocaust without getting arrested also, but I sympathize much more with someone who wants to draw a picture without being stabbed to death.
I don't really think you made this thread with the intention of supporting the rights of the holocaust deniers.
I don't really know what the point you're trying to make is, something along the lines of, well people have been arrested for denying things about the holocaust so why are people outraged when Muslims kill people for drawing Muhammad?
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