RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 12, 2015 at 9:54 pm
(This post was last modified: January 12, 2015 at 9:55 pm by goodwithoutgod.)
(January 9, 2015 at 7:33 pm)bob96 Wrote: Imagine an alternate universe which contains a single hydrogen atom. (Lets not include dark matter or other forces in the discussion for the purpose of simplicity.) You could replace the atom with a proton, a neutron, a sub-atomic particle, or a string. The point is, it's real. It can be measured.
Now where did this hydrogen atom come from?
Was it just always there?
Did it spontaneously appear, ie. magically?
Did someone create it?
How did it come into being?
There are many questions about the world, and universe we exist in that we don't have the answers to...and perhaps, we may never know the answers, but there is no reason to fabricate make believe philosophical assertions as an answer simply because we don't like not knowing.
Funny the things people believe isn't it? The most popular fairy tale at the moment is an invisible super genie floating in nothingness decides to create 400+ billion planets (that is how many the Hubble telescope can see) until it got one juuuuust right, then gathered up a handful of dirt and blew into it, creating man!...and this makes sense to who? Then he decided to sponsor one specific group (who conveniently wrote the fictional book called the bible asserting this) in a remote armpit of middle east, and bestow his gift upon the uneducated goat herders who were busy slaughtering each other.....not the Egyptians who were powerful and advanced, not the Chinese who were way past these flea bitten turds of humanity...no, he hovered around the middle east...the butt crack of the world….or so the story goes....any of this sound made up to anyone else? because it is.
Perhaps you are implying first causal... ad nauseam.
The latest spin on this position by christian philosophers like William Lane Craig is that:
1) Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
2) The universe began to exist.
3) Therefore, the universe has a cause.
This may be seductive to those who already believe in a god. To me, it seems awfully suspicious. The clause "Everything that begins to exist" sounds artificial. It is not a phrase we hear outside the context of theistic philosophy. It appears to be an Ad Hoc construction designed to smooth over earlier apologetic efforts.
You, not a mythical god, are the author of your book of life, make it one worth reading..and living.