(January 13, 2015 at 3:29 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Why would a god want to wait until a group of people become evil enough that he feels more justified in killing them, instead of actually helping them improve their society?21 Does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel [l]for honorable use and another [m]for common use? 22 [n]What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? 23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.
Did God not give that society moral laws to live by? Laws that would improve their society. Laws that were ignored.
(January 13, 2015 at 3:29 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Yahweh is often compared to a parent, but if a parent just stands back and lets his child turn into a psychopath, we call him a bad parent and will still punish him for murdering the kid (or telling someone else to murder him) afterwards. Your god is a lazy dick.Comparing God to a parent is an analogy. Therefore not all characteristics between the two will be analogous. Certainly you wouldn't say: God is often compared to a parent therefore parents are all knowing.
(January 13, 2015 at 3:29 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Your sin debt that he tells you that you have, and makes you beg his forgiveness for you not being perfect,
Where is it written that we have to 'beg His forgiveness'?
(January 13, 2015 at 3:29 pm)Chad32 Wrote: despite that being out of your control, and threatens abandonment and possibly torture if you don't? I am not perfect. I never was, and never can be. Why should I have to beg anyone to forgive me for that?If your imperfection wrongs another person, do you ask forgiveness for that? If you do it would then follow that your wrongs against God would warrant forgiveness.
(January 13, 2015 at 3:29 pm)Chad32 Wrote: If someone wants me to dedicate my life to them, they need to do something for me.Like graciously forgiving your sin debt?
(January 13, 2015 at 3:29 pm)Chad32 Wrote: It doesn't have to be giving me superpowers, or making me the richest, smartest, or most handsome man in the world. I'll just settle for having substantially better life than someone who doesn't worship him, so when I tell someone my life is that way because I pray to Yahweh/Jesus every day, they won't look at me like I said because I pray to Quetzalcoatl every day.
I can certainly sympathize with you there, as can the Psalmist. It does seem unfair that wicked people can prosper while righteous one's suffer. This perspective does assume that if I do something for God that puts God in my debt.
(January 13, 2015 at 3:29 pm)Chad32 Wrote: It's wrong because it means you have to do it before you find out if it's true or not.
It's true there is an element of trust involved.
(January 14, 2015 at 4:38 am)Buckaroo Banzai Wrote: I think Jesus himself made the case that God shouldn't be an object of worship, if we take worship to mean submission.Welcome.
But Jesus called them to Himself and said to them, “You know that those who are considered rulers over the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you shall be your servant. And whoever of you desire to be first shall be slave of all. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve..." Mark 10
If Jesus was our servant and Jesus is God, then God must also be our servant (as we would be His). As humility is the essence of any true servant, then God must be humble and worship (submission) would be anathema to Him.
Please defend the following proposition: humility is the essence of any true servant.
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?