RE: Poll - 'Waiting for godot' a significant Philosophical Work?
January 15, 2015 at 10:19 am
(This post was last modified: January 15, 2015 at 10:23 am by ManMachine.)
(January 15, 2015 at 9:02 am)Chas Wrote:(January 15, 2015 at 8:10 am)ManMachine Wrote: Question - Is Samuel Beckett's 'Waiting for Godot' one of the most significant Philosophical works of the 20th Century?
1. I agree
2. I don't agree
3. I've not seen or read it but I'd quite like to
4. Don't know, don't care
MM
It's a little odd that you give agree/disagree as choices to a yes/no question.
Ah, no excuses, I just didn't check my phrasing.
I wrote the question down on my notepad along with the options I was going to use. I left it and came back a little later and re-phrased the question but didn't go back over the answer options.
Take the questions as "I propose that 'Waiting for Godot' is one of the most significant works of Philosophy in the 20th Century."
I'd never considered Waiting for Godot as a serious philosophical work until I read an article on Philosophical Viewpoints which posed some of the following questions (author not identified, the items in square brackets are my additions)
" - Lucky is the only character in Waiting for Godot whose actions are rational, rather than absurd.
- Beckett espouses the Existentialist tenet that the world is without meaning, but disagrees with the belief that one can give the world meaning and purpose through action.
- The barren setting of Waiting for Godot is proof that Vladimir and Estragon will never be able to break their cycle of inactive waiting; it negates the possibility of life or creation.
- Suffering is a necessary and constant state for all men in the world of Waiting for Godot.
- Pozzo chooses to go blind because he has lost his watch [a reference to timepieces used in Philosophical arguments by Cicero, Voltaire, Descartes and famously Paley's blind watchmaker. This, for me, leaves no doubt that Beckett intended a philosophical subtext to his play].
- Waiting for Godot operates on one damning, principal contradiction: the men can only be saved if their personal god, Godot, were to appear. However, since a commonly accepted interpretation of God is that he is without extension (meaning he doesn’t occupy space), Godot’s presence would mean that he is not God. This renders Vladimir and Estragon’s waiting absurdly futile.
- Because Lucky and Pozzo understand and accept the nature of their positions as slave and master, they have a healthier relationship than Vladimir and Estragon.
- Lucky’s position is the most enviable in Waiting for Godot since he has the security of being told what to do.
- Vladimir and Estragon are slaves to their concept of Godot just as Lucky is a slave to Pozzo.
- Vladimir and Estragon suffer not for lack of happiness, but for lack of certainty. It is worse to not know whether or not they are miserable than to be certain of their anguish.
- Estragon and Vladimir put the label of "waiting for Godot" on what is really just a systematic waiting for death."
MM
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"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)