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What is wrong with this premise?

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RE: What is wrong with this premise?

January 18, 2015 at 4:06 am

(January 18, 2015 at 3:43 am)Heywood Wrote: Premise: Everything that has come into existence has had a cause.

What is wrong with the above premise?

For one, it's unsupported by any evidence. 2ndly, if causality only relates to entities that exist because in order to change --- which is what casualty is --- something must be for it to change from or into, then to say that causality involves change from nothing to something while yet nothing is at least the propensity to be, is to refute the notion that nothing is in fact not something.

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What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 3:43 am

RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Silver - January 18, 2015 at 3:48 am

RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 18, 2015 at 3:50 am

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RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 4:25 am

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RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 4:12 am

RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 18, 2015 at 4:15 am

RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 4:21 am

RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Mudhammam - January 18, 2015 at 4:58 am

RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 18, 2015 at 5:09 am

RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Mudhammam - January 18, 2015 at 5:32 am

RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Davka - January 19, 2015 at 4:53 pm

RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Mudhammam - January 18, 2015 at 4:06 am

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RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 4:59 am

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RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - January 18, 2015 at 5:30 am

RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 18, 2015 at 5:55 am

RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 1:46 pm

RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by helyott - January 18, 2015 at 2:19 pm

RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 18, 2015 at 3:44 pm

RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 4:25 pm

RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 18, 2015 at 4:49 pm

RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 19, 2015 at 3:29 am

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