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What is wrong with this premise?
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RE: What is wrong with this premise?
(January 18, 2015 at 3:43 am)Heywood Wrote: Premise: Everything that has come into existence has had a cause.

What is wrong with the above premise?

First, we have no reason to believe it. It even seems not to be true, since the weight of opinion among quantum physicists is that some things come into existence without causes.

Second, it is arbitrary and self serving. If they believed in a god with three left arms, they'd be saying that everything without three left arms has a cause. You can't prove that a sea turtle created the universe by saying, "Everything has a cause except sea turtles."

(January 18, 2015 at 4:12 am)Heywood Wrote:
(January 18, 2015 at 3:58 am)Alex K Wrote: By default I don't see why your premise should be true.
But can you specify what your definition of a cause is, and what you mean by something coming into existence.

I would accept the premise as true because in my experience everything which has come into existence has had some cause.

If that's your test, then you should also accept the claim that everything has a cause, right?
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What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 3:43 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Silver - January 18, 2015 at 3:48 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 18, 2015 at 3:50 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by reiemdis - January 18, 2015 at 4:22 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 4:25 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by reiemdis - January 18, 2015 at 4:41 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Alex K - January 18, 2015 at 3:58 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 4:12 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 18, 2015 at 4:15 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 4:21 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Mudhammam - January 18, 2015 at 4:58 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 18, 2015 at 5:09 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Mudhammam - January 18, 2015 at 5:32 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Davka - January 19, 2015 at 4:53 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Mudhammam - January 18, 2015 at 4:06 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Cyberman - January 18, 2015 at 4:42 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 4:59 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by reiemdis - January 18, 2015 at 4:53 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by reiemdis - January 18, 2015 at 5:06 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by reiemdis - January 18, 2015 at 5:18 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - January 18, 2015 at 5:30 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 18, 2015 at 5:55 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 1:46 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by helyott - January 18, 2015 at 2:19 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 18, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 4:25 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 18, 2015 at 4:49 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 19, 2015 at 3:29 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by helyott - January 19, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 19, 2015 at 4:13 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by helyott - January 19, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 19, 2015 at 4:36 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by helyott - January 19, 2015 at 4:48 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Chas - January 19, 2015 at 7:13 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Minimalist - January 24, 2015 at 3:52 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Chas - January 24, 2015 at 7:54 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - January 18, 2015 at 6:18 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Ryantology - January 18, 2015 at 5:24 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 19, 2015 at 3:04 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 20, 2015 at 10:03 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 20, 2015 at 1:22 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Davka - January 20, 2015 at 1:25 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 20, 2015 at 2:09 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by helyott - January 20, 2015 at 2:38 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Davka - January 20, 2015 at 3:21 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Mr.wizard - February 15, 2015 at 9:43 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Mudhammam - February 15, 2015 at 10:32 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by emilynghiem - February 15, 2015 at 6:24 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Mr.wizard - February 15, 2015 at 6:37 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - February 18, 2015 at 6:42 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by helyott - January 20, 2015 at 1:46 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Ryantology - January 22, 2015 at 2:02 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - January 19, 2015 at 3:09 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Jenny A - January 19, 2015 at 9:55 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - January 20, 2015 at 8:34 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Animated Earth - January 20, 2015 at 10:30 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 20, 2015 at 3:12 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 20, 2015 at 6:45 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 21, 2015 at 4:28 pm
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RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - January 20, 2015 at 1:24 pm
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RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by wiploc - January 24, 2015 at 1:43 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 24, 2015 at 6:34 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by wiploc - January 29, 2015 at 1:04 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 24, 2015 at 3:16 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by IATIA - January 24, 2015 at 3:40 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 24, 2015 at 4:32 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by IATIA - January 24, 2015 at 8:22 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Minimalist - January 24, 2015 at 8:11 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by ManMachine - January 24, 2015 at 8:31 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 25, 2015 at 4:56 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Davka - January 25, 2015 at 2:09 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by ManMachine - January 25, 2015 at 9:07 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Whateverist - January 29, 2015 at 1:46 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by BlackMason - February 15, 2015 at 2:28 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by emilynghiem - February 15, 2015 at 5:22 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - February 18, 2015 at 6:22 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - February 15, 2015 at 6:31 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by BlackMason - February 15, 2015 at 2:20 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Pizza - February 15, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - February 15, 2015 at 6:31 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Cyberman - February 18, 2015 at 6:37 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - February 18, 2015 at 6:39 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - February 18, 2015 at 6:47 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - February 18, 2015 at 7:00 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Cyberman - February 18, 2015 at 6:57 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - February 18, 2015 at 7:01 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - February 18, 2015 at 7:10 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - February 18, 2015 at 8:05 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - February 18, 2015 at 3:28 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by IATIA - February 18, 2015 at 7:23 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Simon Moon - February 18, 2015 at 7:36 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - February 19, 2015 at 7:06 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by bennyboy - February 19, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by IATIA - February 19, 2015 at 7:39 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by bennyboy - February 19, 2015 at 7:43 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Pizza - February 19, 2015 at 9:39 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - February 20, 2015 at 7:01 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by bennyboy - February 20, 2015 at 7:08 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - February 20, 2015 at 9:06 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by bennyboy - February 21, 2015 at 3:34 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 3:58 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by IATIA - February 19, 2015 at 8:18 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Dystopia - February 19, 2015 at 9:47 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Pizza - February 19, 2015 at 10:00 pm
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RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - February 20, 2015 at 5:17 am
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