A simple challenge for atheists

[Cheerful Charlie]

[quote='bob96' pid='841825' dateline='1420928384']


You are confining the origin of our universe to the rules of our current universe. The origin of our universe is outside our current universe. The Big Bang created the rules.

There is a small-yet-significant difference between our two statements: there is empirical evidence for my statement.

There is a problem with a god that creates the rules. God is defined as perfectly good. God has a good nature and free will. God does no evil of his own free will.

A perfectly good God would eliminate all moral evil if possible. So such a God would create mankind with a god-like free will and a god-like good nature. Any reason we might imagine why this cannot be so is dead on arrival because God makes the rules and his will cannot be thwarted.

I call this the problem of super-omnipotence. Why is there moral evil with a God that creates the rules? This eliminates the idea that there is some unknown reason God cannot do this. God so defined is impossible.

At worse, God does not exist, at best that any possible God is not creator of the rules of the Universe, that the nature and rules of the Universe are naturalistic and beyond any possible God's power to control.

The claims God must exist to explain the existence of the Universe collapses of its own internal self contradictions.