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Challenge regarding Christian morality
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I appreciate your discussion Lek, and I believe you are giving your honest interpretation.

But the more you write, the more it seems to me that the christian "morality" you speak of is actually harmful. It puts the abstract notion of the marriage above the happiness of the participants. It puts them both at fault, even if it's a mutually accepted amicable divorce. This is all to do, I think, with what some unseen being thinks about marriage rather than the welfare of the actual people involved. And placing the unseen being's opinion first is a dangerous thing. I would say it is blatantly immoral to pretend everything is fine and drag out a miserable marriage, lying to the other person, just to keep the marriage going.

Also, jesus, as usual, contradicts himself. He says none of the old law is to be changed. Not one word. So eye for an eye still stands, even if he also tries to imply that it doesn't. We have a contradiction upon a contradictions. So again the reader is left to just pick their way out of each dilemma to match their preconceptions. Clearly people can and do take both interpretations. If they are "wrong" then God is a terrible author and doesn't care enough to come sort this stuff out.

Love your neighbour is the most blatantly obvious bit of morality. There are very few people who are unaware of this instinctive behaviour, and we call those people sociopaths. So God decided to infuse most people with it even if they never hear about Christianity, while making others utterly incapable of understanding it except in pragmatic terms.

Again, the fact that people don't always follow their own morality is not evidence that it doesn't exist. People can choose to override it. And there is certainly no evidence that christians are more moral either.
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Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 22, 2015 at 6:14 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Spooky - January 22, 2015 at 10:20 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Norman Humann - January 22, 2015 at 10:47 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Jaysyn - January 22, 2015 at 10:49 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Norman Humann - January 22, 2015 at 11:09 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Silver - January 22, 2015 at 12:04 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Nope - January 27, 2015 at 11:51 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 22, 2015 at 1:00 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 23, 2015 at 5:23 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Nope - January 23, 2015 at 9:29 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by dyresand - January 23, 2015 at 9:44 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Silver - January 23, 2015 at 9:10 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Whateverist - January 23, 2015 at 11:38 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Davka - January 23, 2015 at 11:44 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Davka - January 24, 2015 at 2:14 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Lek - January 23, 2015 at 9:38 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Silver - January 23, 2015 at 9:42 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Whateverist - January 23, 2015 at 10:23 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Davka - January 24, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 24, 2015 at 4:52 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 24, 2015 at 6:17 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Lek - January 24, 2015 at 1:29 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 24, 2015 at 1:56 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Lek - January 24, 2015 at 2:45 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Nope - January 24, 2015 at 5:24 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Whateverist - January 24, 2015 at 6:24 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 24, 2015 at 2:13 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 24, 2015 at 2:16 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Drich - January 24, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Davka - January 24, 2015 at 2:41 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Drich - January 25, 2015 at 2:28 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 24, 2015 at 2:52 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Lek - January 24, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Esquilax - January 24, 2015 at 3:55 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Lek - January 24, 2015 at 4:37 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Esquilax - January 24, 2015 at 5:21 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Davka - January 24, 2015 at 5:07 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 24, 2015 at 4:46 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Lek - January 24, 2015 at 7:31 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Nope - January 25, 2015 at 11:37 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by LostLocke - January 24, 2015 at 7:57 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Lek - January 24, 2015 at 8:13 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Roxy904 - January 24, 2015 at 8:43 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Lek - January 24, 2015 at 9:12 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Roxy904 - January 24, 2015 at 9:17 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Lek - January 24, 2015 at 9:53 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Silver - January 24, 2015 at 9:58 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Roxy904 - January 24, 2015 at 10:02 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Lek - January 24, 2015 at 10:12 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by IATIA - January 24, 2015 at 10:15 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by dyresand - January 24, 2015 at 10:22 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Davka - January 24, 2015 at 11:29 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Lek - January 24, 2015 at 11:47 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by IATIA - January 24, 2015 at 11:53 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Davka - January 25, 2015 at 11:12 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Nope - January 25, 2015 at 11:52 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Roxy904 - January 24, 2015 at 10:46 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by dyresand - January 24, 2015 at 11:19 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by KevinM1 - January 25, 2015 at 12:01 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 25, 2015 at 3:23 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Huggy Bear - January 27, 2015 at 12:55 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by IATIA - January 27, 2015 at 1:16 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Huggy Bear - January 27, 2015 at 9:59 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by dyresand - January 27, 2015 at 11:16 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by IATIA - January 27, 2015 at 11:48 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Huggy Bear - January 27, 2015 at 12:25 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by IATIA - January 27, 2015 at 12:40 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by dyresand - January 27, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by IATIA - January 27, 2015 at 2:40 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Huggy Bear - January 27, 2015 at 3:42 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by IATIA - January 27, 2015 at 7:19 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Huggy Bear - January 28, 2015 at 11:41 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by dyresand - January 28, 2015 at 6:54 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Dystopia - January 28, 2015 at 7:34 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Drich - January 25, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by dyresand - January 25, 2015 at 11:46 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Davka - January 25, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 27, 2015 at 3:42 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 27, 2015 at 11:19 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by emmasheba - January 27, 2015 at 5:31 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 28, 2015 at 4:59 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Roxy904 - January 28, 2015 at 7:36 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Darkstar - January 28, 2015 at 8:10 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Dystopia - January 28, 2015 at 8:13 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Darkstar - January 28, 2015 at 8:20 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Nope - January 28, 2015 at 8:44 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by YGninja - January 28, 2015 at 9:05 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Dystopia - January 28, 2015 at 9:07 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by YGninja - January 28, 2015 at 9:15 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by dyresand - January 28, 2015 at 9:26 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by YGninja - January 28, 2015 at 9:31 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Nope - January 28, 2015 at 9:33 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by YGninja - January 28, 2015 at 9:44 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Roxy904 - January 28, 2015 at 10:03 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Tonus - January 29, 2015 at 8:52 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by YGninja - January 29, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by dyresand - January 29, 2015 at 12:12 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Tonus - January 29, 2015 at 12:24 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Nope - January 28, 2015 at 11:05 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by dyresand - January 28, 2015 at 11:24 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by YGninja - January 29, 2015 at 7:21 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Tonus - January 29, 2015 at 8:57 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by rexbeccarox - January 29, 2015 at 12:39 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by dyresand - January 28, 2015 at 9:52 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by YGninja - January 28, 2015 at 10:03 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by dyresand - January 28, 2015 at 10:08 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Jenny A - January 28, 2015 at 10:20 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Jenny A - February 10, 2015 at 10:33 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Roxy904 - January 28, 2015 at 9:44 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 29, 2015 at 3:30 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 29, 2015 at 7:57 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 29, 2015 at 8:55 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 29, 2015 at 8:59 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Tonus - January 29, 2015 at 9:00 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Nope - January 29, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by dyresand - January 29, 2015 at 11:06 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Nope - January 29, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by YGninja - January 29, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by dyresand - January 29, 2015 at 2:26 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by YGninja - January 29, 2015 at 2:33 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by YGninja - January 29, 2015 at 2:40 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by YGninja - January 29, 2015 at 2:47 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Esquilax - January 29, 2015 at 3:14 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by YGninja - January 29, 2015 at 2:52 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 29, 2015 at 2:59 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by KevinM1 - February 12, 2015 at 10:59 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Silver - January 29, 2015 at 3:03 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Tonus - January 29, 2015 at 3:19 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - January 30, 2015 at 6:10 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by RobbyPants - February 12, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - February 12, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - February 12, 2015 at 11:04 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by KevinM1 - February 12, 2015 at 11:43 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Whateverist - February 13, 2015 at 12:11 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by RobbyPants - February 13, 2015 at 9:40 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Tonus - February 16, 2015 at 10:17 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - February 13, 2015 at 3:42 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Mudhammam - February 13, 2015 at 4:44 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - February 13, 2015 at 4:48 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Mudhammam - February 13, 2015 at 4:57 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Whateverist - February 13, 2015 at 10:44 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by RobbyPants - February 13, 2015 at 12:21 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Whateverist - February 13, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by RobbyPants - February 13, 2015 at 2:23 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Whateverist - February 13, 2015 at 3:33 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Mudhammam - February 13, 2015 at 3:57 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by RobbyPants - February 14, 2015 at 3:59 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Simon Moon - February 14, 2015 at 4:08 pm
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by Mudhammam - February 15, 2015 at 2:14 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by emilynghiem - February 15, 2015 at 3:51 am
RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality - by robvalue - February 15, 2015 at 6:46 am

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