(January 25, 2015 at 3:32 pm)Esquilax Wrote: If you have a sick dog and the illness has a cure with a high chance of success, and you allow the dog to get sicker and sicker- which, to be clear, is what's actually happening here- then you can be charged with animal abuse. Putting down a dog and what's happening in either of these cases is not remotely similar; in one you are reducing the pain of an animal with little to no chance of survival, and in the other two you're barring people with a high chance of survival from easily obtainable medicine, condemning them both to a lingering, painful death of their illnesses when we know they aren't fully mentally equipped to make the decision themselves, all because the treatment that will allow them life is temporarily painful. And all in aid of... what, exactly? A heaven that you only want to believe is real, without any evidence to show for it?
I think you're being dishonest here. If my dog has cancer and I let him die a natural death, I'm going to be charged with animal abuse? If so, the law is messed up. Anyway, is seems you didn't get the point of my comments. With our pets people often forgo medical treatment, even though it could save the pet's life. It may be too painful for the pet or just too expensive. Often, they just let the pet live out its natural life. If you agree that this is okay, then why is it not okay to stop excruciating chemo at your daughter's request and pursue alternative treatment? You will allow your dog to die in peace, but not your daughter. In your estimation, why is there a moral imperative to continue painful treatment against her will any more than to provide the same to your pet?
Quote:Do you think I should be arrested and imprisoned for murdering you? I mean, in your worldview I've done you a favor, right? What if I murdered some children, for the same rationale? Are you in favor of the dismantling of murder laws for children? Or is your thinking inconsistent, and only down to convenience?
Of course someone should be arrested for murder. This instance is not murder.
Quote:Ah, so on the one hand we treat dogs better than people by allowing them to die, but at the same time you just kinda want humans to die in agony and despair rather than being given the same kind, simple exit. Bloody hell, Lek, which position do you want to hold? Because holding both at once is just nonsensical.
First of all, I don't believe we should treat dogs the same as people. We are a special creation with a soul, different than any other animal on the earth. We not just a more highly evolved animal who runs things because we are more intelligent. We have different different standards of treatment than dogs. I think a true christian might die in agony, but never in despair. We are to live our lives for God and not end life when we are still meant to live. I don't know how long we should struggle against a life threatening, natural disease, though. There comes a time when one needs to make a decision to continue to pursue treatment or allow nature to run its course.