(January 26, 2015 at 12:42 pm)SteveII Wrote: Bob96, I have a question. Is your argument that the universe has a cause and/or that the best explanation of the cause is God? Arguments about Jesus, morality or evolution don't seem to apply to this thread. Just a suggestion, keep to your topic or the conversation gets unwieldy and it is difficult to make a point when everyone goes pursues their favorite objection to Christianity.
@Beccs Arguments like what caused God creates an infinite regression. Within the definition of God is the property of aseity. God just is or we would not be talking about God.
Regarding the initial topic, can someone give me an answer why the popular Kalam cosmological argument does not prevail--that the universe has a cause (leaving God out of if for now). Hawkings seems to need to change the definition of time and quantum theories all seem to have the same problem: quantum fields etc. are not "nothing" and therefore need a cause.
Odin just is or we wouldn't talk about him.
Osiris just is or we wouldn't talk about him.
Quetzalcoatl just is or we wouldn't talk about him.
Applying such an argument about one deity opens up applying the same argument to any other god or, indeed, any being.
Gandalf just is or we wouldn't talk about him.
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:
"You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"