It's really sad to see people make excuses for the blatantly hideously immoral things in the bible. I find it the greatest irony that it's christians who try to convince us that the bible is the word of God, or at least very close, yet it's christians who spend the whole time explaining why God didn't really mean what he said and we should ignore it.
But thanks for being honest ninja and saying all good christian morality is obvious. Any attempts to prove otherwise in this thread have backfired, and lead to clear demonstrations of how xian morality is clearly worse, even on simple matters like marriage.
The whole problem with religion, any religion with a holy book, is this absolutely brain explodingly squirrel up the arse bat shit insane idea that these books are the word of God. That, to me, is the single biggest myth being perpetuated, and it's the one thing that keeps religion's hold over society, and people's ability to reason. As we expereince regularly on this site.
Anyone with a shred of honesty has to admit that men wrote the book. Men, not God. If God wants me to know information, he can beam it directly into my brain. He can make an amazing flying parchment appear in front my eyes, with a personal message for me. He can do almost anything, and it would be more convincing to me than the idea that superstitious warmongers 2000 years ago just happened to be selected as god's storytellers. He would make sure there was no evidence to back up any of the supernatural claims, and then make no attempt to clear up all the confusion ensuring from the book. Let alone all the others "fake" books.
You have to already have decided that the book is the word of God to come to this conclusion. If you look at the situation objectively for just 5 minutes, and assess your book as if you had never seen it before, and had no idea if it was true or not, you would dismiss it out of hand immediately as unsupported claims not to be taken seriously.
"Moderates" are people who perpetuate the myth that these books are the word of God, yet clearly demonstrate through their actions that they either don't think this is true, or that they know better than God. And they are providing credence to these fucking books, so that when someone comes along who thinks, "Ok everyone tells me this is the word of God. I suppose I better take that seriously!" they are labelled an insane radical. Who sounds more insane in this picture?
Man! Just stop it already. Admit these are just books, learn metaphorical lessons or whatever, but drop the act. You're clearly not even convincing yourselves.
But thanks for being honest ninja and saying all good christian morality is obvious. Any attempts to prove otherwise in this thread have backfired, and lead to clear demonstrations of how xian morality is clearly worse, even on simple matters like marriage.
The whole problem with religion, any religion with a holy book, is this absolutely brain explodingly squirrel up the arse bat shit insane idea that these books are the word of God. That, to me, is the single biggest myth being perpetuated, and it's the one thing that keeps religion's hold over society, and people's ability to reason. As we expereince regularly on this site.
Anyone with a shred of honesty has to admit that men wrote the book. Men, not God. If God wants me to know information, he can beam it directly into my brain. He can make an amazing flying parchment appear in front my eyes, with a personal message for me. He can do almost anything, and it would be more convincing to me than the idea that superstitious warmongers 2000 years ago just happened to be selected as god's storytellers. He would make sure there was no evidence to back up any of the supernatural claims, and then make no attempt to clear up all the confusion ensuring from the book. Let alone all the others "fake" books.
You have to already have decided that the book is the word of God to come to this conclusion. If you look at the situation objectively for just 5 minutes, and assess your book as if you had never seen it before, and had no idea if it was true or not, you would dismiss it out of hand immediately as unsupported claims not to be taken seriously.
"Moderates" are people who perpetuate the myth that these books are the word of God, yet clearly demonstrate through their actions that they either don't think this is true, or that they know better than God. And they are providing credence to these fucking books, so that when someone comes along who thinks, "Ok everyone tells me this is the word of God. I suppose I better take that seriously!" they are labelled an insane radical. Who sounds more insane in this picture?
Man! Just stop it already. Admit these are just books, learn metaphorical lessons or whatever, but drop the act. You're clearly not even convincing yourselves.
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