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Veracity Existence
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RE: Veracity Existence
(January 12, 2009 at 1:59 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote:
(January 11, 2009 at 8:35 pm)WWLD Wrote: I know how you feel matt.

And you make a good point. To me religious people are selfish in another way too.

It's like they think they are so special that the only explanation for the human race is an all-powerful, supernatural being created them in his own self image. That, to me, shows selfishness
religion is overrated

I'm a strong atheist too but I consider that we should beware of falling in the pit of the opposite extreme.
Atheism is sufficiently sure that it's principles reflect the true nature of the universe without any need for supranatural forces, so that it has no need to desconsider the believes of others.
Atheism does not hold the monopoly of the feelings or spiritual needs of people and therefore should not desconsider the believes of religious people ,the least of it to consider them as dumb.
We surely critic the believe in God and disprove in different ways it's existence,but in the same time we must recognize that a lot of people especially youngsters seeking for answers about the meaning of the universe or the meaning of life will not find total solutions in atheism
because atheism stumbles itself about a lot of problems.
So let's always adopt a cautious approach when comparing believers versus non believers in God.

I understand what you are saying, but I'm not sure if I completely agree.

I was a Christian for 15 years. I went to a Christian school for 9 years where I had church twice a week. I learned nearly all aspects of the religion and belief system. While I found many parts of the religion comforting and helpful to the improvement of my morals, I was always bent over the many obvious contradictions. These were very difficult to get over. Religion solved several of my questions about the meaning of the universe and life, but it caused just as many problems. And I see these problems today in other religious people. Extreme narrow-mindedness, intolerance, discrimination against other's beliefs, the list could go on. I was narrow-minded for the simple reason of never really having heard of other belief systems that contradicted mine. But once I did, I was very intrigued by how many more solid answers it gave contrary to my religious beliefs, and how difficult it was to prove wrong from my religious standpoint. I definitely have to say that if it were not for those few criticizing my beliefs I would still have been swaying uneasily and unsure in my prior beliefs. I am thankful for those criticisers.

In short, yes I agree that many youngsters are looking for self-fulfilment and meaning, and I agree that they should explore theism as well as non-theism, but I am strongly against child-indoctrination and those narrow-minded parents who shelter their kids from hearing any other belief than their own. But because nearly all theist beliefs encourage those intolerant actions, these beliefs in themselves will always end up in corruption. While the religious individual may be indeed pure of corruption, it is them in their masses that support the religious leaders who rise to power who almost always are corrupt.

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca the Younger
"Religion is the opiate of the masses." - Karl Marx




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Messages In This Thread
Veracity Existence - by Matt - January 11, 2009 at 7:13 pm
RE: Veracity Existence - by WWLD - January 11, 2009 at 7:38 pm
RE: Veracity Existence - by Matt - January 11, 2009 at 7:45 pm
RE: Veracity Existence - by WWLD - January 11, 2009 at 8:05 pm
RE: Veracity Existence - by Demonaura - January 11, 2009 at 8:20 pm
RE: Veracity Existence - by Matt - January 11, 2009 at 8:24 pm
RE: Veracity Existence - by WWLD - January 11, 2009 at 8:29 pm
RE: Veracity Existence - by Matt - January 11, 2009 at 8:34 pm
RE: Veracity Existence - by WWLD - January 11, 2009 at 8:35 pm
RE: Veracity Existence - by josef rosenkranz - January 12, 2009 at 1:59 pm
RE: Veracity Existence - by Matt - January 12, 2009 at 7:44 pm
RE: Veracity Existence - by Matt - January 11, 2009 at 8:40 pm
RE: Veracity Existence - by WWLD - January 11, 2009 at 8:45 pm
RE: Veracity Existence - by leo-rcc - January 12, 2009 at 4:10 am
RE: Veracity Existence - by lukec - January 12, 2009 at 4:20 am
RE: Veracity Existence - by Demonaura - January 12, 2009 at 4:30 am
RE: Veracity Existence - by Matt - January 12, 2009 at 9:43 am
RE: Veracity Existence - by leo-rcc - January 12, 2009 at 9:59 am
RE: Veracity Existence - by lukec - January 12, 2009 at 3:26 pm
RE: Veracity Existence - by WWLD - January 12, 2009 at 4:57 pm
RE: Veracity Existence - by Darwinian - January 13, 2009 at 3:36 pm
RE: Veracity Existence - by WWLD - January 13, 2009 at 9:01 pm
RE: Veracity Existence - by Matt - January 15, 2009 at 3:27 pm

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