RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 29, 2015 at 10:01 pm
(This post was last modified: January 29, 2015 at 10:04 pm by Cheerful Charlie.)
(January 29, 2015 at 12:03 pm)SteveII Wrote:(January 29, 2015 at 11:51 am)Tonus Wrote: So on a subject which might be the most important one ever for both the individual and the human race as a whole, you're satisfied with "seems likely to me"? You feel that it's sufficient to admit that the evidence is poor, but at least it exists?
I'm guessing (again) that you apply a far stricter standard of evidence and reason in most other areas of your life. But for the one that you consider the most important, you set the bar astonishingly low.
Tonus, it is a cumulative case including that God is not philosophically irrational, evidence of Jesus, how the basic Christian worldview makes sense of what we 1) see, 2) feel, and 3) experience, and the available personal relationship with God. I have seen the undeniable life-changing effect that God has on people in real life.
The problem is, God is irrational as a concept. I have posted here to the problem of God's super-omniscience. Then there is the unsolvable issue of God's omniscient and free will. The problem of God and time, the Problem of Evil and other conundrums. Ir has been an issue for many years that a chain made up of weak links is not a chain that can be used. The weak conjectures about God are not accumulative.
What is the basic Christian world view. Martin Luther's "Bondage of the Will" goes through the Bible and demonstrates that Biblically, free will is dogmatically impossible. But if so that means all we do is caused by God. And God than causes all moral evil. Doesn't that make God evil? Luther states he wishes he had not been born a man that had to deal with this terrible problem. How does Luther deal with the issue? Echoing Roman 11:33 he tells us God is inscrutable. That is logic and reason are abandoned for obscurantism. Calvin is not any better, and nobody else has solved the conundrum.
Natural religion, proving God exists has been a bust since Plato invented it in his "Laws - Book X". The literature on Natural Religion is vast and it has been admitted by philosophers of religion to date to have failed. There are no good proofs for God's existence and many good proofs demonstrating God is a doubtful idea.
Cheerful Charlie
If I saw a man beating a tied up dog, I couldn't prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong.
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If I saw a man beating a tied up dog, I couldn't prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong.
- Attributed to Mark Twain