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Brilliant new apologetic fact
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
(February 5, 2015 at 3:50 pm)FreeTony Wrote: Having a discussion on another forum, I am astounded at the following argument:

God created everything, but he didn't create diseases/cancer etc because these aren't "things".

So we end up with both the claim that everything must have been designed due to blah blah blah, followed by "except all the bad bits which weren't designed".

I thought at first this guy was just a moron, but this argument seems to not even come from him. It is in the form "evil is not a thing" which is slightly better until you try to insert real life examples in, after which it again fails.

When you get arguments like this, you realise they are just trying to say anything to avoid having to think about it and hope it goes away.
God created all things. Generally when using this statement the Biblical theist is qualifying 'things' to refer to the material world. God created all [material] things. Given that evil is not material, it is not a 'thing' within the parameters of this definition. Obviously evil is a 'thing', just not a material one.
(February 5, 2015 at 4:48 pm)Alex K Wrote: But what about love?
Love is not a 'creation' at all. According to the Biblical position, God is eternal, and God's nature is love. If God is eternal, then God's nature is eternal. If God's nature is eternal and love is His nature, then love is eternal.
(February 11, 2015 at 10:23 am)JonDarbyXIII Wrote: Interestingly enough, the Bible itself says this is not the case:

Isaiah 45:7:
I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the Lord, do all these things.


Evil is not the absence of good, and darkness is not the absence of light. Most importantly, God says he created it all.
Be careful about equivocating the word 'create'. Again the initial argument has to do with the creation of material things.

Isaiah's quote is true, but it does not say that God creates evil as you have claimed. It doesn't mention evil at all.

If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?



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Brilliant new apologetic fact - by FreeTony - February 5, 2015 at 3:50 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 5, 2015 at 3:54 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Darkstar - February 5, 2015 at 4:27 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Alex K - February 5, 2015 at 4:48 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 5, 2015 at 4:50 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Alex K - February 5, 2015 at 4:56 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Tonus - February 5, 2015 at 7:05 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by dyresand - February 10, 2015 at 6:49 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 11, 2015 at 5:08 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Fidel_Castronaut - February 5, 2015 at 4:50 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Minimalist - February 5, 2015 at 4:54 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 5, 2015 at 4:56 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Heywood - February 5, 2015 at 5:19 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Faith No More - February 5, 2015 at 5:35 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by abaris - February 5, 2015 at 7:05 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Ryantology - February 5, 2015 at 5:50 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Faith No More - February 5, 2015 at 5:51 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Heywood - February 5, 2015 at 6:12 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 5, 2015 at 7:51 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Minimalist - February 5, 2015 at 8:00 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Ryantology - February 5, 2015 at 8:17 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Faith No More - February 6, 2015 at 10:41 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Thumpalumpacus - February 5, 2015 at 6:23 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by FreeTony - February 5, 2015 at 5:26 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Heywood - February 5, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 5, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Minimalist - February 5, 2015 at 5:58 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by FreeTony - February 5, 2015 at 6:33 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Exian - February 5, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Cheerful Charlie - February 5, 2015 at 7:51 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 6, 2015 at 3:31 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by RobbyPants - February 6, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Tonus - February 6, 2015 at 10:48 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Strider - February 6, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 10, 2015 at 5:33 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by JuliaL - February 6, 2015 at 10:48 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 6, 2015 at 11:24 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Thumpalumpacus - February 6, 2015 at 12:11 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by emilynghiem - February 10, 2015 at 5:47 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by The Valkyrie - February 10, 2015 at 5:53 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by FreeTony - February 11, 2015 at 7:26 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 11, 2015 at 1:35 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 11, 2015 at 2:08 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 11, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 7:52 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Homeless Nutter - February 11, 2015 at 9:47 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by dyresand - February 11, 2015 at 9:51 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by JonDarbyXIII - February 11, 2015 at 10:23 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 11, 2015 at 10:51 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by JonDarbyXIII - February 11, 2015 at 12:34 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by dyresand - February 11, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by KevinM1 - February 11, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by dyresand - February 11, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by dyresand - February 11, 2015 at 1:20 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by JonDarbyXIII - February 11, 2015 at 2:02 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 1:22 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Minimalist - February 11, 2015 at 2:40 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 11, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Tonus - February 12, 2015 at 8:59 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Minimalist - February 12, 2015 at 11:15 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by FreeTony - February 13, 2015 at 6:49 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 13, 2015 at 7:46 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by dyresand - February 13, 2015 at 10:03 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by orangebox21 - February 13, 2015 at 11:44 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 13, 2015 at 11:48 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Faith No More - February 13, 2015 at 3:31 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 13, 2015 at 11:49 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by orangebox21 - February 13, 2015 at 1:45 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 13, 2015 at 2:53 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Homeless Nutter - February 13, 2015 at 3:18 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by orangebox21 - February 13, 2015 at 5:06 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 13, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by orangebox21 - February 17, 2015 at 11:30 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 17, 2015 at 9:44 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by emilynghiem - February 18, 2015 at 1:42 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by orangebox21 - February 18, 2015 at 2:01 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 18, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by orangebox21 - February 18, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 18, 2015 at 2:29 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Tonus - February 21, 2015 at 10:06 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 14, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 13, 2015 at 2:55 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 13, 2015 at 3:05 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Tonus - February 16, 2015 at 10:22 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 16, 2015 at 2:02 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 13, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 13, 2015 at 1:04 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 13, 2015 at 1:29 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 13, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by CapnAwesome - February 13, 2015 at 3:02 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by emilynghiem - February 17, 2015 at 8:54 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 16, 2015 at 4:55 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 16, 2015 at 6:17 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by FatAndFaithless - February 18, 2015 at 2:26 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Wiggy - February 21, 2015 at 10:48 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 21, 2015 at 10:51 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Wiggy - February 21, 2015 at 11:21 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 21, 2015 at 11:25 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Esquilax - February 21, 2015 at 12:01 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Tonus - February 21, 2015 at 3:16 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2015 at 8:44 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 22, 2015 at 3:09 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Zen Badger - February 23, 2015 at 12:20 am

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