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Brilliant new apologetic fact
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
(February 13, 2015 at 1:45 pm)orangebox21 Wrote:
(February 13, 2015 at 11:48 am)Pyrrho Wrote: Unfortunately for you, the OP isn't about evil in the abstract, but about particular physical things, diseases and cancer. Being things, diseases and cancer were created by god, if god created all things.
Two points. In the initial creation account (where 'God created all things' comes from) there were no diseases. He did create them in a different sense later on as a consequence of sin, not of His initial creation which He deemed good. There is a difference between the initial 'creation of all things' and the world we observe today. Namely sin.


It does not matter whether god created diseases and cancer in the beginning or only later on. Either way, it is god's creation, if he created everything. So he cannot escape responsibility by creating it later on; it is still his handiwork.


(February 13, 2015 at 1:45 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: Secondly you'll have to prove that diseases and cancer are evil to make your argument. Are not chemical reactions amoral?
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If the disease were not caused by an intelligent being, then it would just be amoral. But if I willfully cause a child to be exposed to polio, then I am evil, not the polio. In this case, god is supposed to be intelligent, and god has exposed quite a few children to polio. (As well as other diseases and cancer.) It is god who is evil. That is, if there were a god who made everything.

Many Christians like to have their cake and eat it too, by praising god for what is good, but not blaming god for what is bad. If god created everything, then he is responsible for everything, not just what is good.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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Brilliant new apologetic fact - by FreeTony - February 5, 2015 at 3:50 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 5, 2015 at 3:54 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Darkstar - February 5, 2015 at 4:27 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Alex K - February 5, 2015 at 4:48 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 5, 2015 at 4:50 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Alex K - February 5, 2015 at 4:56 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Tonus - February 5, 2015 at 7:05 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by dyresand - February 10, 2015 at 6:49 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 11, 2015 at 5:08 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Fidel_Castronaut - February 5, 2015 at 4:50 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Minimalist - February 5, 2015 at 4:54 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 5, 2015 at 4:56 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Heywood - February 5, 2015 at 5:19 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Faith No More - February 5, 2015 at 5:35 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by abaris - February 5, 2015 at 7:05 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Ryantology - February 5, 2015 at 5:50 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Faith No More - February 5, 2015 at 5:51 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Heywood - February 5, 2015 at 6:12 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 5, 2015 at 7:51 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Minimalist - February 5, 2015 at 8:00 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Ryantology - February 5, 2015 at 8:17 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Faith No More - February 6, 2015 at 10:41 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Thumpalumpacus - February 5, 2015 at 6:23 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by FreeTony - February 5, 2015 at 5:26 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Heywood - February 5, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 5, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Minimalist - February 5, 2015 at 5:58 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by FreeTony - February 5, 2015 at 6:33 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Exian - February 5, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Cheerful Charlie - February 5, 2015 at 7:51 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 6, 2015 at 3:31 am
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Tonus - February 6, 2015 at 10:48 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Strider - February 6, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 10, 2015 at 5:33 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by JuliaL - February 6, 2015 at 10:48 am
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Thumpalumpacus - February 6, 2015 at 12:11 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by emilynghiem - February 10, 2015 at 5:47 pm
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by FreeTony - February 11, 2015 at 7:26 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 11, 2015 at 1:35 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 11, 2015 at 2:08 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 11, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 7:52 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Homeless Nutter - February 11, 2015 at 9:47 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by dyresand - February 11, 2015 at 9:51 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by JonDarbyXIII - February 11, 2015 at 10:23 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 11, 2015 at 10:51 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by JonDarbyXIII - February 11, 2015 at 12:34 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by dyresand - February 11, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by KevinM1 - February 11, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by dyresand - February 11, 2015 at 1:07 pm
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 1:22 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Minimalist - February 11, 2015 at 2:40 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 11, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Tonus - February 12, 2015 at 8:59 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Minimalist - February 12, 2015 at 11:15 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by FreeTony - February 13, 2015 at 6:49 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 13, 2015 at 7:46 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by dyresand - February 13, 2015 at 10:03 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by orangebox21 - February 13, 2015 at 11:44 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 13, 2015 at 11:48 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Faith No More - February 13, 2015 at 3:31 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 13, 2015 at 11:49 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by orangebox21 - February 13, 2015 at 1:45 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 13, 2015 at 2:53 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Homeless Nutter - February 13, 2015 at 3:18 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by orangebox21 - February 13, 2015 at 5:06 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 13, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by orangebox21 - February 17, 2015 at 11:30 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 17, 2015 at 9:44 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by emilynghiem - February 18, 2015 at 1:42 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by orangebox21 - February 18, 2015 at 2:01 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 18, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by orangebox21 - February 18, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 18, 2015 at 2:29 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Tonus - February 21, 2015 at 10:06 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 14, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 13, 2015 at 2:55 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 13, 2015 at 3:05 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Tonus - February 16, 2015 at 10:22 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 16, 2015 at 2:02 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 13, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 13, 2015 at 1:04 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 13, 2015 at 1:29 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 13, 2015 at 1:55 pm
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 16, 2015 at 4:55 pm
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Wiggy - February 21, 2015 at 10:48 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 21, 2015 at 10:51 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Wiggy - February 21, 2015 at 11:21 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 21, 2015 at 11:25 am
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Tonus - February 21, 2015 at 3:16 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2015 at 8:44 pm
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