(February 17, 2015 at 11:30 am)orangebox21 Wrote: ...
(February 14, 2015 at 2:21 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: Right, because Adam and Eve sinned, little babies, who had nothing whatever to do with that, get bone cancer. You seem to imagine that if someone does something wrong, then it is right to punish people for it who had nothing to do with that wrong. If someone else commits murder, would it be just to lock you up in prison or execute you for it, if you had nothing to do with the murder? Is that your idea of justice?No, that is not my idea of justice.
That is the Christian god's idea of justice. People who had nothing to do with a crime are condemned because of the crime. I did not get my chance in the garden of eden. Did you?
(February 17, 2015 at 11:30 am)orangebox21 Wrote:(February 14, 2015 at 2:21 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: That is hilarious, coming from you, given that you previously posted:That's my point. According to the atheistic worldview, disease were not caused by an intelligent being, and are therefore amoral. How can you assign a moral value to an amoral entity?
So, you are saying that there is no god who created everything? If so, then I agree, there is no one to blame for the mess that is the world. But, if it had been created by a being, then that being is to blame for the mess that we experience every day. So, make your choice: Was the world created by a god? If so, then that god is to blame for the mess it created. If not, then, well, if the world is the result of mere random chance, then there is no one to blame. But you cannot have it both ways. Either the world was created by a god or it wasn't. If it was, then the blame belongs to that creator. If it wasn't, then there is no one to blame. Of course, with this second option, there is no creator god. Is that your position, or are you just trying to weasel out of the consequences of the claims you make?
(February 17, 2015 at 11:30 am)orangebox21 Wrote: ...
(February 16, 2015 at 2:02 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: Being the creator of everything makes one responsible for everything.Are you then not responsible for your own actions?
To use a metaphor from the Bible, the potter does not properly blame the clay if the pot is poorly made. If a potter makes a bad pot, it is the fault of the potter, not the pot. If god fucks up, it is god's fault, not the thing that god made.
If I was created by an omnipotent, omniscient being, then that being chose to make me exactly what I am. Consequently, that being bears the entire responsibility for whatever I am. And that means, whatever I do as a consequence of whatever I am, is the responsibility of the being that made me what I am, if I was made by such a being.
So, was I created by such a being, or not?
"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
