Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral

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If you think that an objective moral code can come about as a product of a subjective being, then I don't think you know what either of those words mean.

I see your point. But as you may suspect, my not being an atheist, suggests that I do not see God as being subjective.

Reading your immediate next response, I see that you've misunderstood me; I'm not saying that god is subjective in that the idea of god is subjective, as opposed to an objective fact, although I also think that's true. My main contention here is that even if god exists, any moral pronouncements that god makes are just as much the product of a subjective opinion as any human moral idea. God is a subject, he's a being with a mind, which is exactly the same kind of thing that a human is, and moral pronouncements that a god makes reflect only god's opinion, not some objectively real truth of the universe. You might bestow additional authority upon those opinions, but they are still just god's opinions, and not in some special category where they are objective features of reality just because god said them.

Furthermore, if god's moral commandments are objective, in your estimation, in that they reflect ultimate goodness, then ultimate goodness is evidently a standard separate from god's opinions, that god could not change. God, in that possibility, is little more than a mouthpiece for an objective moral goodness that does not require him to be real, meaning your argument falls apart. And if god can change that objective standard, then you're right back to just puffing up god's opinions, rather than providing a real objective source.